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Seriously, the "patina of hard sf" may be what drew some viewers to TOS, but I wouldn't go so far as to insist that this applied to everyone who got hooked on Trek back in the day.
...except TOS approaching sci-fi's more challenging ideas with fairly serious consideration and respecting the audience who would watch it by not being idiotic, histrionics-battered, silver-splattered crap like most episodes of Irwin Allen's sci-fi TV series produced up to that time was one of the most cited reasons innumerable fans claimed they loved TOS when it was on NBC. Its the same reason many of the same first-run and syndication era fans used TOS as the gold standard for adult TV sci-fi when criticizing many a 70s sci-fi series on both sides of the pond.
I love Planet of the Apes and Dark Shadows, too, but I don't seriously expect gorillas to take over Earth
Oh yes, the one with the new and top secret prime directive which would have explained all the duplicate Earths!
I remember being fascinated by it back in the day, but also remembering what Crusade was like and wondering if the finished product would have been any better.
I'm a total maximalist when it comes to franchises I like, the concept of oversaturation or fatigue just does not apply to me. I could have happily taken plenty more seasons of Discovery, Lower Decks and SNW alongside more of Academy. And yeah give me a sitcom on Risa, Year One, more Section 31, a Rachel Garrett spinoff, young Picard on the Stargazer, Warehouse Division 14, United, the Romulan War, an anthology special set in the Dominion War, a show set in STO's Klingon War.
I'm a total maximalist when it comes to franchises I like, the concept of oversaturation or fatigue just does not apply to me. I could have happily taken plenty more seasons of Discovery, Lower Decks and SNW alongside more of Academy. And yeah give me a sitcom on Risa, Year One, more Section 31, a Rachel Garrett spinoff, young Picard on the Stargazer, Warehouse Division 14, United, the Romulan War, an anthology special set in the Dominion War, a show set in STO's Klingon War.
I like your enthusiasm! The thought of some of those give me hives, but who cares?! There’s stuff in there I like too, so let it rain new Star Trek series
Yes. And if it features Captain Sulu like the audio drama did, but this time 30 years into the Lost Era instead of in the TOS movies era like the audio drama, that would be good.
No. It just sounds like another visual reboot like Discovery designed to screw with continuity. And why set it in the Pike-era when it could be set in the mid-26th century on the Ent-J or a sister ship?
I'm ambivalent to this concept. I've also heard of the Division 12 pitch, long before SNW S4 made the division canon. Why not fold the Year One and Division 12 pitches into one - and have the protagonist serve on the Enterprise in Kirk's first year before leaving for/is recruited to Division 12? Yes, it sounds like Discovery, but at least it would not feel like they are trying to remake TOS.
Yes. I've heard that this would be a miniseries, instead of a 5 season run, and I could live with that. I could also live with it being 8 tv movies, with each movie covering a year of Archer's Presidency.
It depends, since it was also pitched as a follow-up on Cardassia, a follow-up on select VOY characters, possibly featuring a Sela appearance, and could possibly lead to one more TNG movie. If it does all of that, yes I'd watch. But without it, its another Worf pitch that goes nowhere. Speaking of...
There are a dozen Worf pitches .
- the Game of Thrones, Shakespearean pitch
- the one where Worf fights space terrorists under the Starfleet banner in a tv movie that was supposed to be edgy and dark
- the one where he's a captain in the Klingon Defence Force instead of Starfleet
- the one where his first officer is also his girlfriend
- the one where Riker and Troi are envoys to the Klingon Empire
- the one where the Klingon Empire is stagnant and falling apart and struggling with change
- the one that is a comedy
- the street-level team up with Raffi focused on espionage work
- even the ideas for Worf in the DS9 S9 pitch (succsor to Martok, investigating a conspiracy on Bajor and the death of Nog, navigating the marriage of Captain Ezri Dax and S31 agent Bashir) and an idea dropped from NEM (Worf's Gorn friend) technically count as Worf pitches
This could sustain a miniseries. I would watch it.
I do sometimes wonder if the franchise could use pulling back to just a single show, called Star Trek (no subtitle), with no high concept or “campaign premise” beyond getting into trouble while exploring the planet of the week.
I do sometimes wonder if the franchise could use pulling back to just a single show, called Star Trek (no subtitle), with no high concept or “campaign premise” beyond getting into trouble while exploring the planet of the week.
There’s that great, maybe New Yorker or something, cartoon with the caption that reads: "Captain, an interesting philosophical question with a satisfying conclusion in 44 minutes is hailing us." I miss those little “morality plays” as Marina Sirtis called them. My ideal new series would be that, on a new ship, on the “far end” of Federation space, away from most of the powers we know, in the mid 25th century, with a new captain of whatever demographic people think could never captain a ship atm.
I do sometimes wonder if the franchise could use pulling back to just a single show, called Star Trek (no subtitle), with no high concept or “campaign premise” beyond getting into trouble while exploring the planet of the week.
We did some digging a while back, as there are several letters/memos to/about Hartman in the Roddenberry papers, and none of those support "Hopeship" as ever being a real thing as a TV show pitch.
I may be mis-remembering, but the pre-Discovery (was it?) premise of doing an anthology series, set in a different era / time period, different characters, arcs, each week - sounded interesting and ambitious.
I do sometimes wonder if the franchise could use pulling back to just a single show, called Star Trek (no subtitle), with no high concept or “campaign premise” beyond getting into trouble while exploring the planet of the week.
With a maximum of 10 episodes per season I doubt this will do very well honestly. When you're competing for attention in such a way as shows are these days and you only have a limited number of offerings you'll struggle to survive by being small.
Without offering big eye catching concepts or trying to appeal to the prestige drama crowd I just don't think a Star Trek show can be successful in the modern era.
Without offering big eye catching concepts or trying to appeal to the prestige drama crowd I just don't think a Star Trek show can be successful in the modern era.
Does it? I think 2009 proved it can have broader appeal. The stupid elements of that story could have been fixed without changing the audience reaction. The scripts for ID and Beyond were similarly flawed, although the latter not as much as the former (plus the marketing on the latter was piss-poor).
Does it? I think 2009 proved it can have broader appeal. The stupid elements of that story could have been fixed without changing the audience reaction. The scripts for ID and Beyond were similarly flawed, although the latter not as much as the former (plus the marketing on the latter was piss-poor).
I think 09 demonstrated it could be done but follow through was lackluster so it's hard to have confidence that it can follow through.
Couple that with the fan immediately pulling out the measuring tape and finding ways for it to not measure up and it's an uphill climb at best if not completely lacking the it factor at worst.
Think a mashup of Crusade and the fifth season of Discovery.
It's discovered that the galaxy was seeded with life by a race a beings and there's a genetic time bomb wired into all humanoid life forms set to go off in a year that will render all intelligent life extinct.
James T. Kirk is the youngest captain to ever command a starship and, with his crew, sets out to find the homeworld and a cure for the disease/virus, whatever.
Think a mashup of Crusade and the fifth season of Discovery.
It's discovered that the galaxy was seeded with life by a race a beings and there's a genetic time bomb wired into all humanoid life forms set to go off in a year that will render all intelligent life extinct.
James T. Kirk is the youngest captain to ever command a starship and, with his crew, sets out to find the homeworld and a cure for the disease/virus, whatever.
