The whole idea of a mixed crew made up of former adversaries, with the Maquis crew members very much not your typical by-the-book Starfleet types and holding grudges against Starfleet, got swept under the rug very quickly, to be touched on maybe once in a blue moon over the course of the series. The crew was one big happy family way too quickly.
Similarly, the idea that Voyager, cut off from Starfleet's resources, was in dire straits when it came to repairs, supplies, et cetera, quickly got downplayed as well, the better to recapture to cozy, congenial atmosphere of TNG? The ship seldom seemed to be in worse shape than Picard's Enterprise, there seemed to be an infinite number of shuttles, and so on. It was all very comfortable.
At the time, it certainly seemed as though Voyager was leaning away from its own distinguishing characteristics -- a ship lost in space, a divided crew forced to work together despite the bad blood between them -- in a bid to recapture TNG's popularity.
And to perhaps lure back fans who found DS9 too radical a change for them?
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I agree with everything you said there about Voyager, like to a T.
The original comment had been about Enterprise, and so the claim is quite a bit more of a head-scratcher for me than it would have been in the case of Voyager, especially if the premise got betrayed in the very first episode!
I'm not sure even Voyager betrayed its premise that quickly.Regarding Enterprise, I have not watched a great deal of it. However, I feel like if they wanted to do a prequel, they should have really done a prequel. Instead, we started out immediately with the temporal cold war. And then they felt the necessity to drag in everyone from the Borg to the Ferengi.I agree with everything you said there about Voyager, like to a T.
The original comment had been about Enterprise, and so the claim is quite a bit more of a head-scratcher for me than it would have been in the case of Voyager, especially if the premise got betrayed in the very first episode!
It is the same objection that I have to Strange New Worlds. Instead of just showing us the weekly adventures of Pike's Enterprise, we have this running arc about him knowing his future. And then, again, they have to drag in everyone from Nurse Chapel to Kirk himself.
Anytime Trek tries to do a prequel, they are afraid to truly commit to that premise.
Well, if I had to sum it up in one sentence, let's start with "4 days from Earth to the Klingon Empire in a Warp 5 ship."I didn't ask you to type a novel. I was curious to know what you brought up, but not enough to go on a wild goose chase or scavenger hunt to find the answer!
Phase(r) pistols. PHOTONic torpedoes. Ship had a hull, warp nacelles, Vulcan science officer. Reported to Starfleet Command. Planets were as close or as far as the plot dictated so travel times felt the same. Duras was a villain. Section 31.
TOS says in That Which Survives that the Enterprise can do 1,000 light years in less than 12 hours. TAS has them going to the center of the galaxy. ST5 has them going to the center of the galaxy again.
Come TNG and onwards (despite overlap with ST5), the warp speed is slowed a hundred fold in either sequels or prequels (ENT, SNW). Suddenly Voyager needs 70 years to cross the galaxy for 70,000 light years, something the 1701 per 'That Which Survives' in TOS would only have taken a month.
Come Prodigy, and speeds are closer to TOS level again with going to the Delta quadrant no longer seemingly a problem for the USS Dauntless.
What should be decanonized? Trek produced up till ST5? Or all Trek that came after it? Barring an explanation for the great warp slowdown that we still haven't had in decades, they're irreconcilable.
Come TNG and onwards (despite overlap with ST5), the warp speed is slowed a hundred fold in either sequels or prequels (ENT, SNW). Suddenly Voyager needs 70 years to cross the galaxy for 70,000 light years, something the 1701 per 'That Which Survives' in TOS would only have taken a month.
Come Prodigy, and speeds are closer to TOS level again with going to the Delta quadrant no longer seemingly a problem for the USS Dauntless.
What should be decanonized? Trek produced up till ST5? Or all Trek that came after it? Barring an explanation for the great warp slowdown that we still haven't had in decades, they're irreconcilable.
Neither. It is more fun that way.
Also, polarizing the hull=shields.
but its so conveniently sized and effectiveDcanonize the phaser cannon
A paper-thin excuse to bitch about what we don't like about Star Trek. Get with the program, dude.
Excuse? I don't need an excuse! I will bitch about Star Trek all day long just because, dammit!
The same Dauntless which was stated in dialogue to have quantum slipstream. Plus Borg transwarp conduits were accessed quite a bit throughout Prodigy.
Because audiences demand the familiar.
How do we know that in the Trek world? No one has ever taken the chance to try something different with a prequel. I think if they had done a good Captain Pike show without all the future knowledge stuff and without all the characters from TOS (except Spock, of course), audiences would have reacted just fine. And, honestly, I think just about everybody back in the day rolled their eyes at "No, we don't have phasers, but we have phase pistols!"
Problem being, can you convince the money people?
Yes, ENT’s wordbuilding efforts were dismal. But that was UPN’s and Berman’s fault. I think if they had more time and different showrunners, ENT could have been more unique.
And prequels are by nature going to be influenced more by what came before than any real attempt to show what life was like before the show/movie to which they are trying to be a prequel. SNW is influenced far more by TNG than TOS.
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