Yes, because only Hitler had a belief in racial supremacy.
I must be oblivious, then, because that never occurred to me.
You said they denied it "for years." Have they acknowledged it at some point?
I would not decanonize any series, or any episodes. Even when I put DIS, the majority of ST, some episodes of SNW, S31, SFA, and Very Short Treks into an alternate reality that’s completely separate from the Prime timeline and Kelvin timeline. I still consider all of that canon too. IDIC and all that.
But I do have a list of things within episodes or series that should go:
Decanonize the Chardybis mission and the whole dating of the 52 stars on the US flag. The original script for “The Royale” suggest the flag was in use between 2053 and 2079, and the Charybdis was launch was in 2067. While the actual episode places both originating in 2037. So, retcon both the flag and the mission to the original script dates for both the flag and the mission being a post-atomic horror thing. It would align with the final act of “The Sehlat Who Ate Its Tail” much better, since the flag on that Earth ship only used 50 stars.
Decanonize the idea that Romulus does not exist in the 25th century or beyond. Just use a Genesis device and make a new Romulus already!
Decanonize Andy Dick ...the synth ban already gives a great cover as to why that particular EMH model is no longer around.
Decaonize the decommissioning of the Ent-F, and the Titan-A being rechristened the Ent-G. The Ent-F had another decade in her, and its kind of unsettling that these starships are so disposable now and are only good for about a decade and a bit, when the OG USS Enterprise lasted 40 years. And as for the Ent-G, I'm fine with Seven of Nine being her captain...just why that ship as the Ent-G?
But I do have a list of things within episodes or series that should go:
Decanonize the Chardybis mission and the whole dating of the 52 stars on the US flag. The original script for “The Royale” suggest the flag was in use between 2053 and 2079, and the Charybdis was launch was in 2067. While the actual episode places both originating in 2037. So, retcon both the flag and the mission to the original script dates for both the flag and the mission being a post-atomic horror thing. It would align with the final act of “The Sehlat Who Ate Its Tail” much better, since the flag on that Earth ship only used 50 stars.
Decanonize the idea that Romulus does not exist in the 25th century or beyond. Just use a Genesis device and make a new Romulus already!
Decanonize Andy Dick ...the synth ban already gives a great cover as to why that particular EMH model is no longer around.
Decaonize the decommissioning of the Ent-F, and the Titan-A being rechristened the Ent-G. The Ent-F had another decade in her, and its kind of unsettling that these starships are so disposable now and are only good for about a decade and a bit, when the OG USS Enterprise lasted 40 years. And as for the Ent-G, I'm fine with Seven of Nine being her captain...just why that ship as the Ent-G?
I believe Moore copped to it at a con Q&A a few years back.I must be oblivious, then, because that never occurred to me.
You said they denied it "for years." Have they acknowledged it at some point?
You can tell, because they're drawn so sympathetically.
Even though I did like a season and a half of Disco.....ALL OF KURTZMAN TREK. Except maybe Picard. It's been all over the place.
Keep the junk and throw out the good stuff. Makes sense.
Laser.Dcanonize the phaser cannon
No further explanation needed. Just do it.
Good question. It was probably a cost cutting move.
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How about we just de-canonize the concept of canon?
Norman coordinate!
All my knowledge laboriously accumulated over 5 decades shot to hell? Sure, why not.
The only things I think need decanonizing are the saints and martyrs, whether self-appointed or otherwise.
No more "St. Terry" or "St. Gene" or whoever. And all those people who live in constant agony because of some aspect of Trek need to get off their crosses (gridirons, wheels, please choose your pain...) and grow up.
No more "St. Terry" or "St. Gene" or whoever. And all those people who live in constant agony because of some aspect of Trek need to get off their crosses (gridirons, wheels, please choose your pain...) and grow up.
So you're saying the decanonizers should be decanonized?
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Amongst all the complaints seen here -- and there are many -- I don't know that I have ever seen anyone upset solely because something isn't what Terry Matalas or even Gene Roddenberry would do. In fact, I would say most people around here feel that in spite of creating the show, Roddenberry's creative instincts quite often missed the mark. I certainly don't think he is treated as a saint of Trekdom.
Everything after Voyager. (Yes, even Enterprise, which betrayed its own premise in its opening episode.)
Before Voyager, I'd decanonize the TNG episodes where the crew (or any individual) evolved into another creature, or some shit like that. Also, that episode Masks. All transporter and holodeck malfunction episodes. The episode where Dr. Crusher boned Ronin the space ghost (Sub Rosa) can stay, though.
Before Voyager, I'd decanonize the TNG episodes where the crew (or any individual) evolved into another creature, or some shit like that. Also, that episode Masks. All transporter and holodeck malfunction episodes. The episode where Dr. Crusher boned Ronin the space ghost (Sub Rosa) can stay, though.
Curious why Voyager gets a pass since it, too, betrayed its own premise by the second episode.
Oh, I've seen it. Gene's Vision™ is a BBS meme for a reason. "Upset," of course, may not be literal, because who knows how posters really feel. But figuratively upset, posting pushback against an idea because it goes against G'sV™, absolutely. It does happen.
Agreed that there's general agreement that his creative instincts sometimes missed the mark. Sometimes yes, but whether it's often or quite often, probably mileage varies. I think there's also agreement, if not general agreement then certainly some agreement, that his rewrites on TOS produced good results, generally improving the material, and were largely responsible for the consistent overall tone and feel of the series, which was greatly to its benefit. There's a very wide chasm between giving credit where credit is due and veneration (not that you're saying otherwise), and of course Roddenberry was not the sole important creative force present.
How so?
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