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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

We know from Discovery and Starfleet Academy that open fires are permitted on the bridge.

The enterprise D has anti fire forcefields

aliens might still smoke

martia certainly does, and Kirk tried it. St John talbot smokes too.

Data had a pipe too.

But then quark had never heard of anyone smoking tobacco or anything poisonous so clearly not that common, and likely those that do smoke are smoking something which isn’t poisonous.
 
The enterprise D has anti fire forcefields



martia certainly does, and Kirk tried it. St John talbot smokes too.

Data had a pipe too.

But then quark had never heard of anyone smoking tobacco or anything poisonous so clearly not that common, and likely those that do smoke are smoking something which isn’t poisonous.


In an era where you can get synthehol it is probably easy to make faux cigarettes that work the same but do no harm
 
Picard is never going to live that whole android thing down, is he? (I mean I guess not, seeing as it killed him)

Hey, does everyone remember that the Miles O'Brien that finished DS9 is not the one that started off in it? I hate temporal mechanics.
 
Picard is never going to live that whole android thing down, is he? (I mean I guess not, seeing as it killed him)

Hey, does everyone remember that the Miles O'Brien that finished DS9 is not the one that started off in it? I hate temporal mechanics.
How is Miles not the same Miles
 
See the S3 episode Visionary. OG Miles dies and gets replaced by an alternate timeline Miles for the rest of the show. He even says it's weird at the end of the episode that he's not the same Miles (or that this isn't his timeline).
 
I mean if Miles sees DS9 explode in his timeline and then moves to a timeline where it doesn't explode, how is that not an alternate reality? (Or are we gonna split hairs on alternate reality vs alternate timeline?) And he literally comments himself on not being the same Miles O'Brien! Bashir brushes it off, but fact is, the O'Brien we follow from episode 1 dies, and an O'Brien from another timeline moves into the main timeline and carries on in his place. It's like the reverse of what happened to Samanosuke in Onimusha 3. I think.
 
Harry Kim, on the other hand...

In Deadlock Harry was effectively transporter-duplicated like Riker and Boimler, but this time a few hours later one of the duplicate Harry's died.

I don't believe it was clear what would have happened had the two voyagers flown to a planet and beamed down a crew. I assume the one that eventually blew up was the "real" one as that's the one the Vidians attacked. The question would thus be how did the "fake" one which was invisible to the vidians become visible to the galaxy by the next week.

However in any case, Harry and Naiomi were the only ones that were "real"

Not clear what happened to "Fake" Harry or Baby Naiomis bodies.

I mean if Miles sees DS9 explode in his timeline and then moves to a timeline where it doesn't explode, how is that not an alternate reality? (Or are we gonna split hairs on alternate reality vs alternate timeline?) And he literally comments himself on not being the same Miles O'Brien! Bashir brushes it off, but fact is, the O'Brien we follow from episode 1 dies, and an O'Brien from another timeline moves into the main timeline and carries on in his place. It's like the reverse of what happened to Samanosuke in Onimusha 3. I think.

Miles jumped back in time. When Picard did that his time-travelling body was killed and then vanished (in Time Squared). And god knows what happened in Paris.

I can't think of any other episode where a protaganist travels back in time, changes history, and stays there.

In most they either change the timeline and return to today with the changes in place (episodes like Past Tense, Voyage Home, Trials and Tribbleations) or perhaps were predestination paradoxes (First Contact for example). Other times like Year of Hell, Time And Again, Timeless they change the past but don't travel - at most there's a message sent through.

With Non Sequitor, Harry left universe A to go to universe B, displacing HarryB, then returning to universe A, killing ParisB and presumably HarryB)

In both cases I think Harry at the start of the episode is the same as Harry at the end of the episode.


OK having spent far too long thinking about this:

Yesterday's Enterprise (Where TashaB from a destroyed timeline travels to the main timeline and then dies)

Futures End (Braxton travels back to the 90s and stays there, but then its unclear what happens)

Fury - which I think was presented as a pre-destination paradox but I worry about invoking the word in case it summons Lynx!
 
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I mean if Miles sees DS9 explode in his timeline and then moves to a timeline where it doesn't explode, how is that not an alternate reality? (Or are we gonna split hairs on alternate reality vs alternate timeline?) And he literally comments himself on not being the same Miles O'Brien! Bashir brushes it off, but fact is, the O'Brien we follow from episode 1 dies, and an O'Brien from another timeline moves into the main timeline and carries on in his place. It's like the reverse of what happened to Samanosuke in Onimusha 3. I think.
It's a paradox, and the way the episode follows encourages us to see the dead O'Brien as the "real" one. But he's not.

There is an unbroken chain for the O'Brien who starts the episode and the one who ends it, from his perspective. He was visited by a potential alternate future Miles, but they worked together to ensure that timeline never happened.

Bashir brushes it off because it's not particularly important. But it's still going to freak out O'Brien because he saw "himself" die.
 
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