Whatever do you mean? It was great seeing Hugh and Ro and Icheb and Shelby livin' large.and I have to emphasize in theory because I really didn't like what ultimately tended to happen when these characters did show up.

Whatever do you mean? It was great seeing Hugh and Ro and Icheb and Shelby livin' large.and I have to emphasize in theory because I really didn't like what ultimately tended to happen when these characters did show up.

Lots of good threads from season 1 that were discarded. I agree with this one.I liked Elnor too, and was deeply disappointed by how he was summarily discarded in S2 (though "his" final appearance was kinda fun).
I didn't realise that background with Intiraymi. I think sometimes actors get these theories but it's more likely they just needed an expendable character for Seven's story.For a little while I was actually DMing with the actor who'd originally played Icheb (or at least, someone who claimed to be). There's some implication that his character was punished in reaction to RL comments he'd made. When I spoke with him he seemed to regret what he'd said, IIRC.
But, that's kind of like keeping Kim an Eternal Ensign as a way of punishing Garrett Wang; it doesn't make a ton of sense.
Regardless, there were certainly ways to kill Icheb (if he had to be killed) that would have been a bit more tasteful and tonally consistent (though perhaps this is consistent with the tone PIC ultimately set for itself?).
Does this episode also mark the beginning of the annoying trend of bringing back franchise characters just to kill them off? At least Hugh got a few episodes; better than Ro or Icheb's cameo here.
I have to agree with you again here. Okay I wouldn't rate it so harshly, there are some moments I liked, but this is a contender for my least favourite episode of Picard. It's a very childish variety of 'dark and edgy', ending with Seven taking her badass revenge by walking out in the open shooting everything with a rifle in each hand. It's the kind of thing DS9 would do in its Mirror Universe episodes, even though people were eventually wishing that they'd stop.1.05 "Stardust City Rag"out of 5
I set out to try and find a positive side to things and in the last episodes even with grumbles I've managed it. Then.. this comes along.
Impossible Box was also on the lower end of my rankings, partly because of all the Raffi and Rizzo stuff you didn't like either, but it was nice to see Picard reunited with Hugh. It's also nice that it pushes the story forwards in a big way, finally getting Soji off the Borg Cube. Though I feel like we could've gotten to this point faster.1.06 "The Impossible Box"out of 5
Impossible Box was also on the lower end of my rankings, partly because of all the Raffi and Rizzo stuff you didn't like either, but it was nice to see Picard reunited with Hugh. It's also nice that it pushes the story forwards in a big way, finally getting Soji off the Borg Cube. Though I feel like we could've gotten to this point faster.
I share your opinion on pretty much everything, once again.1.06 "Nepenthe"out of 5


Also, I'll take this opportunity to say that I didn't mind the swearing in Star Trek.
Possibly Marina Sirtis' best performance as Troi, and that's not a knock against her acting abilities, it's just that this is the strongest material they ever gave her to work with.
That's not unfair, but I think it's more of a reflection of simply of how the television landscape has changed and evolved. It also illustrates the difference between syndication and streaming (and network). Gene Roddenberry liked to push things as far as he could, and indeed had to be held back on some things in the early days of Next Generation (Three-breasted Betazoids? "Three-legged" Ferengi?).My issue is not swearing itself as I'm not a prude, but I think the main issue it what it stands for. It symbolises a selfishness. Trek is what so many of us grew up with. I tuned in at 9 and I feel it shaped my life. Whoopi Goldberg tuned in, saw a Black person on the bridge and was inspired to become an actor. I could find you a million other stories.
But this the writers - may of whom may even even grown up with Star Trek - are sort of going "No, this is our toy now. It's not for you" and denying an entire generation of it.
That's why I prickle most. I also do think it's a lazy crutch to look edgy. Some of the world's best TV shows and media franchises haven't needed swearing. Trek of old. Star Wars. West Wing et al.
That said, I've said my piece on the subject. I don't want to derail the thread away from the Picard rewatch.We use essential cookies to make this site work, and optional cookies to enhance your experience.