For All Mankind Trailer - Apple TV- SPOILER

[Lord Garth]

Two birds with one stone - a Kennedy/Sanders ticket. But if Kennedy is elected in the unseen 2012 election, it means his entire two terms are likely going to be off stage.

We might see it. I'm starting to think the bulk of Season 6 will take place in the early-2020s and then in the final episode they'll skip all the way to the late-2020s to show how everything ended up Present Day in 2027 or thereabouts. That's how I'm imagining it. Only because they've never done a 15-year jump before.

I thought there would be multi-year jumps in Season 5, since that's how odd-numbered seasons worked before. I agreed with whoever made the case for "getting there" vs. "being there" seasons. But that doesn't seem to be the case this time out.

 

[tenmei]

I thought there would be multi-year jumps in Season 5, since that's how odd-numbered seasons worked before. I agreed with whoever made the case for "getting there" vs. "being there" seasons. But that doesn't seem to be the case this time out.

Yeah (that was me too, haha). I am still surprised we've only had a 6 month time jump, unless we have another 6 months to get Sojourner back from Titan and Kelly arrives back to independant Mars.

 

[James Swallow]

A different (shorter) WW2 and an intact British empire perhaps? Or something completely left-field, like the Mouse on the Moon lol

Check out the Image Comics miniseries Ministry of Space for a post-WW2 alt-history take on space exploration led by the British Empire (with a dark secret at the core...).

 

[Jayson1]

You know they could just flat out have Obama become President. I think we have forgotten he is still out their. I could even see them do a Obama/Kennedy Jr ticket. Maybe in this world Kennedy Jr was the old white guy put on the ticket to make some white people feel comfortable with the notion of voting for the first Black President. Or I guess a Obama/Bernie Sanders would also work.

Would be kind of funny of Bernie Sanders on this world is seen as a moderate. Perhaps some of the red states have become more blue and vice versa for blue states due to changes in the timeline.

 

[trash80]

Check out the Image Comics miniseries Ministry of Space for a post-WW2 alt-history take on space exploration led by the British Empire (with a dark secret at the core...).

That looks well worth checking out. Thanks!

 

[tenmei]

You know they could just flat out have Obama become President. I think we have forgotten he is still out their. I could even see them do a Obama/Kennedy Jr ticket. Maybe in this world Kennedy Jr was the old white guy put on the ticket to make some white people feel comfortable with the notion of voting for the first Black President. Or I guess a Obama/Bernie Sanders would also work.

Would be kind of funny of Bernie Sanders on this world is seen as a moderate. Perhaps some of the red states have become more blue and vice versa for blue states due to changes in the timeline.

I mean, no Star Trek Voyager means no high profile divorce for wannabe Senator Jack Ryan derailing the Ryan campaign, its equally possible Ryan could end up as President. Possibly as Braggs VP.

 

[Nerys Myk]

You know they could just flat out have Obama become President. I think we have forgotten he is still out their. I could even see them do a Obama/Kennedy Jr ticket. Maybe in this world Kennedy Jr was the old white guy put on the ticket to make some white people feel comfortable with the notion of voting for the first Black President. Or I guess a Obama/Bernie Sanders would also work.

Would be kind of funny of Bernie Sanders on this world is seen as a moderate. Perhaps some of the red states have become more blue and vice versa for blue states due to changes in the timeline.

Would Kennedy be that old? He was born in 1960. In 2012 he'd be 52. Only two years older than Obama.

 

[Lord Garth]

You know they could just flat out have Obama become President. I think we have forgotten he is still out their.

I haven't forgotten about him. I just figured they'd want to go with a different President than one we've actually had. Especially the closer we get to Present Day, to keep up with theme of how different of a reality this is. They should have as much fun with it as they can.

In the '60s, '70s, and '80s, it's different but not too different. The '90s and '00s are more and more different. And now, in the 2010s and 2020s, extremely different.

 

[Jayson1]

Would Kennedy be that old? He was born in 1960. In 2012 he'd be 52. Only two years older than Obama.

I suppose he wouldn't be old as Biden but he would still have that classic liberal appeal and would be white to make people with some racism be less fearful to vote for Obama. Assuming racism is still a big issue in that world.

That world seems to be more progressive than ours in many ways. They even have had a female President. Granted she was Republican but I do suspect that might also be how it happens in our America someday as well when we eventually get our first female President.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I'll just go ahead and get this out of the way:

In space, no one can hear you scream.

Fuck. The SDM's high risk, high reward mission to blow up the launch site on Goldilocks had a harrowing trip en route through a sandstorm and just when they thought it was a success, they discover in literally the last minute that the damn Marines had a recon team on site already. Even though their attack was intended to be a bloodless one, now the M6 will undoubtedly and almost justifiably label SDM and the rest of Happy Valley as terrorists.

What a cruel, twisted reflection on Dev's unattended disastrous attack on Happy Valley's farm dome that lead to Gulsora's death.

I do not know how cooler heads will prevail at this point. The Marines will almost certainly receive a kill order on Happy Valley. This is going to end very, very badly.

My heart goes out to AJ. She had anxiety about the recon mission and now she's the sole survivor of the disaster. She's going to have serious survivor's guilt, especially since Ruiz deliberately took the brunt of the blast to protect her. And how long will she be able to survive in her EVA before the Marines can possibly rescue her, even if they can find her?

On a slightly happier note, the Titan mission isn't quite going according to plan due to their forced new landing site being too far from where they needed to be. I was right that Kelly fucked mission cohesion although not quite how I expected, at least not initially. Walt is so far up in his own head of doubt and insecurity that he has thrust temporary command to Kelly, right before she confessed the truth. She gladly accepted it and has forced Walt onto the mission, but when Walt (and the rest of the crew) realize the truth, it's going to go very badly for Kelly.

Fuck. How is all of this going to be properly handled in just two more episodes?

 

[Aragorn]

Who's Martin? Do you mean Walt? Easiest way for the show to cop out is that in order to get everyone safely back to the shuttle, Walt will sacrifice himself, meaning no one will ever know what Kelly did. And then the nine year time jump will allow the writers to skip ahead with all of Kelly's guilt without actually having to deal with it (the season finale of Will Trent did the same thing with one of their characters, just montaged it all away).

 

[tenmei]

So the US has a Space Navy including the USS Bradford - is the naming of the cruiser significant - but the crew of the ship seems to include the USA, Russia and India. How fast is the Bradford - similar to the Unity craft.

And an appearance by Space Marine Ilya Rozanov. Does this make HR canon to FAMK

They really are holding the Irina/Polivanov connection close to their chest but its becoming more apparent.

My heart goes out to AJ. She had anxiety about the recon mission and now she's the sole survivor of the disaster. She's going to have serious survivor's guilt, especially since Ruiz deliberately took the brunt of the blast to protect her. And how long will she be able to survive in her EVA before the Marines can possibly rescue her, even if they can find her?

Aren't the rest of the Space Marines and the Marine Recon shuttle still on the base, so she should be okay?

Fuck. How is all of this going to be properly handled in just two more episodes?

Well, the space elevator has heen Chekov's gun since Episode 1, so it has to revolve around that. I thought they would use it to rail-gun the Sojourner into orbit, but are they going go use it to rail gun the Bradford out of space?

 

[FPAlpha]

What i don't get is the shock of the Martians.

Yes, the coup started because of heightened emotions, which made clear thinking and a rational plan impossible. Once they took over the colony though things cooled down to make way for rational planning and they did. Now with Earth's predictable reaction to the Mars coup and cutting off Earth or at least the M6 nations from the Iridium it was obvious that it would inflame the situation.

Now i'll give them a little slack not to expect an armed mission but it was still a bit naive from them to not at least discuss it as an Earth option. Mars is holding the Earth economy hostage so to speak, it is tanking the economy and making world leaders look weak - all this and nobody has spoken about this and planned a long term coherent response.

Now the consequences are arriving in the form of an assault ship loaded with Marines, supported by the remains of the Earth loyalists and Miles is still surprised when he learns there's an Earth ship inbound to retake the asteroid ( and likely the colony too at some point)?

I know that none of them are military so as civilians it's harder on them to make military decisions that can cost lives and now it happened they are shocked but ever since they basically broke off from Earth it was headed to this. They didn't want this but events sometimes unfold and push you into a direction you don't want but in this case this was predictable and they didn't prepare mentally and tactically and that's on them.

I mean did they truly believe Earth would cave and give up without a fight?

So they're now on a crossroads. They can lay down or prepare to fight because the Marines and Earth will not let this incident go unpunished because Mars, willingly or not, drew first blood and the Marines will want payback.

As to the Titan mission - man, i hope nothing goes wrong on the mission much less any injuries or even loss of life because that's on Kelly's conscience by being Ed Baldwin level of reckless. Walt may not be a good crisis leader but he made the right call to abort initially given they know what happened to Kosmos 1 so when this comes out there'll be hell to pay for Kelly. I don't think her colleagues have the same recklessness to them to do what Kelly did, they are professionals and while they may take on more risk than an average person it's a calculcated risk based on available facts and Kelly blew past it with a gut feeling. I wonder if it'll get out this season and it should, i don't see this particular plot point having to survive another time jump, it needs to be resolved now and see the fallout for her after the time jump.

The underlying problem with the food also still hasn't been addressed and it's the main problem so i wonder what will happen to that, it has to be either the Marine ship and/or the Loyalists that give up part of their stash but to reach that point i fear more people will die.

 

[FPAlpha]

Well, the space elevator has heen Chekov's gun since Episode 1, so it has to revolve around that. I thought they would use it to rail-gun the Sojourner into orbit, but are they going go use it to rail gun the Bradford out of space?

I don't think the ELevator will play much of a role since it's not completed.

However the Marines have no other option but to land on Mars since the Martians blew up the landing pad on Kuznetsov station, so they need to take Happy Valley to regain control of the asteroid and now they lost at least one of their own so they'll be out for blood.

I don't think the Martians will rig some kind of ground to orbit weapon, that's too much The Expanse but there will be a ground fight in Happy Valley, of that i'm sure.

 

[FredH]

Aren't the rest of the Space Marines and the Marine Recon shuttle still on the base, so she should be okay?

I could be wrong, but I had the impression from Boyd’s “No survivors” that the explosion took out the entire area the Marines were in, probably including their shuttle, with AJ the only one left. I would guess Boyd and Polivanov will end up picking her up, which will be a pretty traumatic meeting.

 

[David cgc]

So the US has a Space Navy including the USS Bradford - is the naming of the cruiser significant

Nelson Bradford was the Air Force general who was in charge of all the military space missions that were stepping on NASA's toes in season 2, and Ellen's Chairman of the Joint Chiefs in season 3.

I mean did they truly believe Earth would cave and give up without a fight?

Maybe? "Caving" would just be maintaining the status quo with an aim towards permanent habitation, which was already the M6's and Helios's public position. Very public, in the latter case. It just turned out Dev's city of the future was a theme park and not a society.

It's not exactly analogous, but a big current event is a world power trying reset things back to where they were before they, freely and of their own choosing, destroyed a positive arrangement in the delusional belief that they could be Big and Tough and replace it with something better.

 

[tenmei]

I could be wrong, but I had the impression from Boyd’s “No survivors” that the explosion took out the entire area the Marines were in, probably including their shuttle, with AJ the only one left. I would guess Boyd and Polivanov will end up picking her up, which will be a pretty traumatic meeting.

Boyd would have had no way of knowing how many Marines were on the platform, she certainly had no idea they or the ship were there until she saw the lights through the shuttle window, which was just Jarrett and Ruiz, so Boyd was making the assumption that ALL the marines were in there and had no way to get free.

The OPEF shuttle seemed to be on the other side of the central bulk of the base to the launch platforms when we got shown it, and the central bulk seemed undamaged, which would also explain why Boyd and Polivanov didn't see it on arrival.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Who's Martin? Do you mean Walt?

Oops, yes, that's who I meant. I usually double check names but I just didn't this time...and paid for it.

Easiest way for the show to cop out is that in order to get everyone safely back to the shuttle, Walt will sacrifice himself, meaning no one will ever know what Kelly did. And then the nine year time jump will allow the writers to skip ahead with all of Kelly's guilt without actually having to deal with it (the season finale of Will Trent did the same thing with one of their characters, just montaged it all away).

Yeah, I could see events going that way...but I honestly hope the show doesn't goes down that route. Like FPAlpha said, this issue needs and should be resolved now before the next time jump.

They really are holding the Irina/Polivanov connection close to their chest but its becoming more apparent.

A few episodes ago, Lenya said that they knew each other at Star City. Curiously, while Irina is confirmed for the upcoming series, Lenya is not. Either he'll be introduced later on...or it's someone who is in the cast but then they change their name later on?

The underlying problem with the food also still hasn't been addressed and it's the main problem so i wonder what will happen to that, it has to be either the Marine ship and/or the Loyalists that give up part of their stash but to reach that point i fear more people will die.

While Palmer briefly appeared in his direct communications with the Marines (I'm surprised Happy Valley didn't detect that transmission), Dev did not even appear. I can't help but wonder if he'll finally grow a conscious out of remorse for Gulsora's death.

Boyd would have had no way of knowing how many Marines were on the platform, she certainly had no idea they or the ship were there until she saw the lights through the shuttle window, which was just Jarrett and Ruiz, so Boyd was making the assumption that ALL the marines were in there and had no way to get free.

The OPEF shuttle seemed to be on the other side of the central bulk of the base to the launch platforms when we got shown it, and the central bulk seemed undamaged, which would also explain why Boyd and Polivanov didn't see it on arrival.

That's a fair point. I also assumed the other two Marines would've been close enough to the blast to be hit but we didn't see them after Ruiz radioed his warning so we have no idea where they were located at that moment. Ruiz and AJ were in much more danger since they were right there mere minutes before the detonation.

Either way, AJ is in a bad place no matter how she is rescued.

 

[Morpheus 02]

My understaning is that Marcus Haskell was also sent out there, but they were tasked with rounding up few Marsies maintaining the platform. I am assuming they would be there to save AJ and regroup. Boyd was headed back to Mars in the escape hopper.

They did a good job of making me care about the Sergent , and making the future anger of AJ very believable when we see it.

Also, the show helped me really now appreciate and miss Gully with the unfinished film.

Kelly was able to delay the truth.... we know it WILL come out to Walt....but with all that is happening on Mars... will they just cover it up, and make Walt the hero, while Kelly has to fade away?

So if Episode 6 was Late July 2012, then we should now be in January 2013, then Bragg is less than a month away from leaving office. Given the Election would have been held smack bang in the middle of the Siege, either the M6 reaction to it has become bipartisan or the POTUS Elect is a Republican.

Bragg is probably counting on the Moon Marines arriving before he officially leaves office in order to cement his reputation. It only takes Unity a month to get to Mars from Earth so even allowing a slight delay for some training, the Marines should have arrived already.

I am wondering what the actual timeline is.... and is Bragg just trying to solify his "legacy" or set up something for a successor? Or -- will Martial Law be declared and presidential results delayed?

And they're telegraphing Miles becoming the first President of the Martian Congressional Republic.

Also, Cardi B, Gangnam Style and Flash Mobs still exist in this Alternate 2013?

ANd that was Nikki Minaj's "Startships" not Cardi B during that Flahs Mob scene.

Oh....and going way back to Ed's death .... that episode had a huge impact on me. My prayer partner of 10 years,who is 40 years older than me (94) is in hospice.... so I wil be facing his death sometime soon, as is my wife with one oher grandmothers... so that process will be painful, but definitely seeing some relatable things there, at least for my life.

 

[tenmei]

A few episodes ago, Lenya said that they knew each other at Star City. Curiously, while Irina is confirmed for the upcoming series, Lenya is not. Either he'll be introduced later on...or it's someone who is in the cast but then they change their name later on?

Sasha Polivanov appears to be a lead in Star City, played by Solly McLeod. So my guess is that he's Lenya's father - and Irina his mother. Either that, or Sasha is an older brother. If we translate Costa Ronin's RL age to FAMK, then he would have been born in '66, so not a huge stretch for Ronin to be playing a few years younger than his real age.