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Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x09 – “300th Night”

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Rate the episode ...

  • 10 – Excellent!

    Votes: 16 16.2%
  • 9

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  • 8

    Votes: 33 33.3%
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  • 1 – Terrible.

    Votes: 3 3.0%

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With all the 32nd century tech available, why is the USS Athena such a piece of crap whenever it goes up against another starship.

To be fair, the Athena is a school/training ship. So it would make sense if it was not super strong in combat.

They gutted the one thing about Trek that was reliable, that Star Fleet ships were more than capable of holding their own and at the very least pretty much attempted to put up a fight.

Not really true. We've seen plenty of examples of ships that are more powerful than Starfleet ships. The Husnak ship was way more powerful than the Enterprise D in TNG. A Romulan warbird was also way more powerful that the Enterprise D. The Scimitar in Star Trek Nemesis was way more powerful than Starfleet ships. The Dominion capital ships were way more powerful than Starfleet ships. And of course, a Borg cube was way more powerful.

Starfleet ships have always been more "well rounded". Sure, they have weapons and shields but it is mostly for self-defense. They are equally focused on science and exploration. They might hold their own against the average alien ship but not against dedicated warships.
 
I'll have to do my review later tonight or tomorrow, but I wanted to say this.

One thing that I don't think has been mentioned is that Federation space is not going to be as large as it was in the 24th century because they have far less members in it currently. Even with Betazed and their allied worlds added, that brings the total to, what... 60 or 70 worlds? There were more than double that number in FIRST CONTACT/DS9 season 5. Weyoun himself said in early season 6 that Federation space is a prize that was vast.

So why does the graphic look like Federation space is as big as it was 800 years prior? Also, since their space is much smaller than we're used to, I can see it being at least more possible for Braka to surround Federation space with those mines, considering how far reaching and destructive Omega is.
 
The map is a copy paste of the one featured in Star Trek: Star Charts which showed both DS9 and Bajor not being in Federation space. However, Bajor is indicated to be a Federation member on a map in an episode in Disco Season 5.
I am aware of the source, however they did modify them, adding new species, Federation. HQ etc.
 
Because the graphic artists messed up. They took the map from Star Trek: Star Charts and modified it to fit the show but did not really think about whether it makes sense in-universe.
I think in a previous episode, there was the label "Osnullus homeworld". What an utterly lazy label!
 
Starfleet Academy this season has basically stuck to three kids of episodes: light YA drama, deep character/theme based episodes, and big, bombastic action-adventure. We're clearly back to the latter, this go around.

The episode opens with the end of the academic year, which is kind of needed for the endgame, because nothing about the plot involves the Academy itself. This is honestly a pretty deep structural issue with the season as a whole. Even with the conceit that the Athena itself contains classrooms, it's hard to make the "school side" and the "Trek side" of the show intermesh well. That said, it's an effective standard Trek outing here - not at the level of Come, Lets Away, but certainly good enough.

Like all good Trek action episodes, this focuses on the ensemble side of things, allowing every character moments to shine. Yet the throughline here is clearly the culmination of Caleb's initial arc, with the episode offering the very thing he wanted the most, but complicating it via his friends. The key moment is of course when he runs in to the rescue of Genesis, Darem, and SAM. This is not the sort of selfless choice he would've made at the start of the season, and it showcases his growth. Rosta is also a great actor, and Frakes' direction here is impeccable. The little choices, like focusing on Caleb's hands trembling as he finally decodes his mother's transmissions - incredible.

That said, while Tatiana Maslany does a great job as Anisha, I was hoping for a bit more here on her side on the scripting. It seems clear they're setting up for a reveal that she's more actively working with Nus Braka than she's letting on, and they want that to wait for the finale. But by holding back so much, she remains largely a cipher in this episode other than the love of her son, with this aspect of the episode feeling way, way too straightforward. We know there's another shoe waiting to be dropped, but somehow, despite the big hints, no one in the story does.

I want to give special props to Kerrice Brooks for doing an amazing job here as SAM 2.0. She's hitting the right notes as being an iteration of the old character, not an entirely new one. An absolute highlight of the episode, even if she wasn't the focus.

The biggest downside of the episode is a lot of the technobabble doesn't make a lick of sense. The idea of mining the entirety of the boundary of Federation space is just spectacularly dumb. Even granting that the Federation is likely smaller in reality than the maps we see onscreen (since the visual department often cribs from existing Trek material, which likely doesn't take into account the diminished Federation boundaries post Burn) the idea of building a three-dimensional bubble around all of Federation space is ridiculous - even if you imagine one per light year. That said, Trek has had a long history of really stupid science like this - I hardly expect rigor.

Some of the casting choices made here also rankle a bit. Braka really should've been at least at the end of the episode. Some recurring characters, like Lura Thok, really should have appeared as well. But I think this just came down to the budget not being able to account for everyone.

Overall, it's decent setup. However, ending on a cliffhanger as it has, we need to see the payoff. A lot comes down to the question of how dark they want to go with Anisha's real role. My guess: She's actually the designer of the Omega mines, which gives them a convenient way to disable them. I just hope they go the whole nine yards, and make Caleb's mom actively "evil" rather than choking and implying she was somehow pressured into this. We will see.
 
Because the graphic artists messed up. They took the map from Star Trek: Star Charts and modified it to fit the show but did not really think about whether it makes sense in-universe.
Which is, frankly, a major problem in itself with SFA. It's the same issue I had with Sisko's family tree graphic (though that one is more egregious because of the sheer number of easily fixed errors). It gives the impression that there is less interdepartmental communication or teamwork than we are used to seeing from the franchise, like the Berman era. Considering how much time is given to produce these episodes, it's difficult to give any sort of pass or leeway.

Errors happened here and there in TOS and the Berman era, but they had far less time to produce an episode, including post-production, than the Kurtzman era has now. So it's easier to forgive many of them.
 
The concept of blocking off Federation Space to cut them off from everyone else is a really interesting idea. If only there were a ship in the era that has a special warp drive capable of ignoring distance and teleporting to a location without having to travel the distance, that's been brought up a number of times in the season and that would also be fitting to show up in a season finale.

All that aside, Caleb's mom has me pretty confused, because all the set up kinda points to Nahla being Caleb's surrogate mom, which is muddied if she's here. The set up the found family nature of Starfleet, the idea that Jay-Den is choosing him as a brother after losing his blood one, the fact that Caleb lost his mom and Nahla lost her son, they directly bring up that Caleb has slotted into that role for her, even putting him in a situation where he's put in a similar position as her son's death and she manages to save him, and they basically mirror the arc of someone raising one of the cadets through SAM, who seems to have a special relationship with him in this episode. It seems impossible that all of this will lead to nothing but Caleb's mom being here now and just being a bit edgy. In an era where season long Trek arcs are mostly bad, this is surprisingly well done and it would be odd if it was accidental or didnt stick the landing.
 
If only there were a ship in the era that has a special warp drive capable of ignoring distance and teleporting to a location without having to travel the distance, that's been brought up a number of times in the season and that would also be fitting to show up in a season finale.

Yeah but I think it would undermine the show if Discovery swoops in and saves the day in the season finale. This is supposed to be about Starfleet Academy and the cadets, not Discovery. It is the same reason why the Enterprise D did not swoop in and save the day on DS9. It was a different show.
 
Not only are they are copying the Star Charts and the Stellar Cartography reference books, but they have also copied much of the Federation member planet from the former. These names appear on the video wall seen in the Athena. Using this list, we can get some idea of a conservative number for the number of Federation members.

One other thing - Remus was not destroyed in the supernova which destroyed its sister planet. It is a planet affiliated with the Federation, going by the color. The label for this has appeared in the charts as (Star) Romulus (Remus).

This is a story of contrivance and, as Starfleet Academy works as a prequel of sorts to the epilogue seen in Star Trek: Discovery's last episode, we know that this is a temporary setback for the Federation. I am not feeling the stakes in this story.
 
Yeah but I think it would undermine the show if Discovery swoops in and saves the day in the season finale. This is supposed to be about Starfleet Academy and the cadets, not Discovery. It is the same reason why the Enterprise D did not swoop in and save the day on DS9. It was a different show.
It doesn't have to, Lower Decks was about an underrated low level ship that could still do big things and Riker swooping in during the finale didnt undermine that. It just has to be done well. Unlike that episode I would expect the ship to warp in earlier but as long as the story is focused on the cadets and the plan involves their skills (which it certainly will) i think it would be fine.
 
One other thing - Remus was not destroyed in the supernova which destroyed its sister planet. It is a planet affiliated with the Federation, going by the color. The label for this has appeared in the charts as (Star) Romulus (Remus).

It could be possible that the Remans settled a new homeworld post-Picard and were just really uncreative, whilst the Romulans scattered and mostly settled on Ni'var. After all, even Ake has to correct herself and call the "Vulcan" star 40 Eridani A.
 
I'll have to do my review later tonight or tomorrow, but I wanted to say this.

One thing that I don't think has been mentioned is that Federation space is not going to be as large as it was in the 24th century because they have far less members in it currently. Even with Betazed and their allied worlds added, that brings the total to, what... 60 or 70 worlds? There were more than double that number in FIRST CONTACT/DS9 season 5. Weyoun himself said in early season 6 that Federation space is a prize that was vast.

So why does the graphic look like Federation space is as big as it was 800 years prior? Also, since their space is much smaller than we're used to, I can see it being at least more possible for Braka to surround Federation space with those mines, considering how far reaching and destructive Omega is.
A sphere small enough to just contain two stars, Sol and Alpha Centauri, would still have a surface area of 60 square light-years. So even that’s going to be difficult, if potentially doable given Trek-level tech and ranges.

Punch that up to 60-70 star systems (even assuming they happen to be bunched up next to each other instead of, as would be more likely, sprinkled across a much larger space with plenty of nonmember or uninhabited stars filling out the spaces between them), and a sphere encompassing 60-70 stars separated by about a parsec each would have a surface area of 830 square light-years.

A sphere large enough to contain the actual nearest 60 stars to Sol would, apparently, have a surface area of 3,100 square light-years.

It may not be the Federation at its height, but it’s kind of a lot.
 
It was a very exciting penultimate episode. Lots of great moments for Ake, Vance, Reno and the Doctor just a shame there was no Lura (AGAIN) she best be in the finale.

The Nog dance was a fun little background easter egg.

I really do not trust Anisha like at all, I strongly suspect she's in on Nus' plan.

Hopefully the Athena gets back up in the next episode since Vance is with basically the entire fleet. Speaking of, Discovery could jump across the border, dock with Athena and jump back.

I gave the episode a 9, it lost out to a 10 because of Caleb he was pretty weak here.
 
I'll have to do my review later tonight or tomorrow, but I wanted to say this.

One thing that I don't think has been mentioned is that Federation space is not going to be as large as it was in the 24th century because they have far less members in it currently. Even with Betazed and their allied worlds added, that brings the total to, what... 60 or 70 worlds? There were more than double that number in FIRST CONTACT/DS9 season 5. Weyoun himself said in early season 6 that Federation space is a prize that was vast.

So why does the graphic look like Federation space is as big as it was 800 years prior? Also, since their space is much smaller than we're used to, I can see it being at least more possible for Braka to surround Federation space with those mines, considering how far reaching and destructive Omega is.
Question is how was he able reproduce so many of them, why did it take the feds so damn long to figure out what he stole, and how did he do all this without them noticing.

800 years ago the fed kept an eye on their boarder's. It would take next to nothing to make new sensors systems from replicators to monitor their space.

So the feds are storing stable omega molecules and they have not learned to harness their energy? Also this was easier than a singularity drive?
 
I can't help wondering if the Omega Particle was in the mix when they were coming up with the idea for The Burrrrrn. Maybe this was an original story concept. With Osyra instead of Braka.
I remember years back there was a pitch for a Star Trek series that was set in a future where much of the Federation was destroyed by the Omega Particle. Perhaps they weren't allowed to use that concept since it was too close to that?
But really, anything would have been better than what we got.

One other thing - Remus was not destroyed in the supernova which destroyed its sister planet.

That's... impossible?
Like most other things in Star Trek since 2009.
 
A solid 8/10.

This one is all about the character work, from everyone: it really has to be impeccable to navigate all the complicated relationship dynamics going on here. There's Caleb and his mom; Caleb and his friends' attempt to draw him into a "found family" dynamic and his struggle with it, in a way the last throes of his struggle with his Starfleet identity; SAM navigating her new self and dealing with others -- especially Genesis -- who haven't fully registered that she's basically a different person now; the rest of the gang trying to make sense of it all; and Nahla and her officers getting a kind of bemused cross-section view of it all as they try to stave off disaster.

It all works really well. Everyone is believable at every point, the character moments all feel earned even when they suck (Genesis really gets the shit end of the stick in multiple ways this time out, I felt for her), our principals are all likeable even in conflict (I don't need them to be likeable, but I unabashedly enjoy it when they are), and the overall adventure plot that's holding and driving it all is fun. I like that we get a real payoff in the new SAM of her outing on KASQ: she's still exuberant, but she's also confident and centered in a way we haven't seen before, and when -- on Uckeck(? whatever the planetoid of the week is called) -- Caleb lashes out at his friends to try to drive them to leave, she is without a moment's hesitation the one who calls him on his bullshit.

Tatiana Maslany's work as Anisha Mir is excellent. She and Caleb and their relationship with Starfleet are a crucial piece of the whole puzzle, and both actors really nail it.

There are a couple of downsides. Lura Thok's long absence is really felt, here, in a way I hadn't previously felt it. It feels like she was built up as being the kind of character they would really look to in a crisis like this one, so it's a shame not to have her. Also, the Federation's continued flat-footedness in dealing with Nus Braka is starting to wear on me: they should have learned by now not to do what the Venari Ral obviously want them to do without taking the lead from their cadets. The "omega mine" blockade is one of those NuTrek Things -- in this case, persistently not understanding the true scale of Space -- that I've learned to grit my teeth and bear but will never actually like, and the plot contrivance that had Anisha reaching out to Caleb using a cipher designed for his six-year-old self is a head-scratcher.

However. Most of that is nitpicks or matters of purely personal taste, so I can't dock more than a couple of points for it. A fine first half of a two-parter outing, I'm looking forward to the conclusion.
 
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