Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x09 – “300th Night”

[EmoBorg]

The Venari Ral are marauders. They are basically a criminal enterprise. It makes no sense to me that they would build a huge quanity of omega 47 mines to enclose the Federation Space. Space is 3D and the UFP is massive. You would need millions of mines to blockade the Federation. That makes no sense for a criminal enterprise that is profit driven.

The Venari Ral could easily place one or two omega 47 mines around Earth, Betazed or Ni'var and easily extort wealth or technology from the UFP in return. The Federation, being a well known soft touch in the galaxy, would easily give in. The UFP is no Klingon Empire.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

That was the one from Discovery Season 5 no?



It seems DS9 and Bajor are not part of the Federation as per this map


I thought there would be a "Khionian bitch" moment wenn Darem started smiling when he got beaten, as in Khionians turn into Marvel characters above a certain pain threshold.

The map is a copy paste of the one featured in Star Trek: Star Charts which showed both DS9 and Bajor not being in Federation space. However, Bajor is indicated to be a Federation member on a map in an episode in Disco Season 5.

 

[thribs]

This is when the spore drive would be useful. Do the Lorca manoeuvre on them.

 

[thribs]

The map is a copy paste of the one featured in Star Trek: Star Charts which showed both DS9 and Bajor not being in Federation space. However, Bajor is indicated to be a Federation member on a map in an episode in DIsco Season 5.

Yeah. You should never pay attention to those things. They are always conflicting with what’s actually stated in the show.

 

[firehawk12]

I had a quick scoot through the season and it seems that there is a pattern of limiting the number of cast each episode by losing 2 or 3 in rotation. I think that:

- they topped their budget, expected more budget to be forthcoming, and didn't get it or
- they were in budget, but other costs took them over
- they were in budget, but casting Giamatti took that over (Giamatti across 3 episodes is about $2mil and guest cast are $20K per episode, younger main are $30-35k, and Tigs and Odeds are $100k = 70 less guest cast slots)
- they were in budget, but rewrote ad hoc to include a more expensive player such as Oded for one episode more, which knocked 3-4 guest cast out

I know little of these dark arts but I assume each guest or recurring brings knock-on hair, costume, make-up, craft services etc costs.

I know that's not new, but was not as noticeable in pre-Kurtzman Trek. Other than the absence of Leeta and Rom from WYLB.

Yeah, some budget issue makes sense but you can't help but see him as basically an extra... despite being roommates with two of the characters and otherwise part of the group. You could make some excuse that he stayed on Betazed so that his father wouldn't notice Tarima being missing or something, but it felt like an afterthought.

 

[firehawk12]

The Venari Ral are marauders. They are basically a criminal enterprise. It makes no sense to me that they would build a huge quanity of omega 47 mines to enclose the Federation Space. Space is 3D and the UFP is massive. You would need millions of mines to blockade the Federation. That makes no sense for a criminal enterprise that is profit driven.

The Venari Ral could easily place one or two omega 47 mines around Earth, Betazed or Ni'var and easily extort wealth or technology from the UFP in return. The Federation, being a well known soft touch in the galaxy, would easily give in. The UFP is no Klingon Empire.

Also assuming the Bajoran wormhole still exists, they'd either have to mine it or the entire Gamma Quadrant... but also yeah, presumably the spore drive still exists in this future too.

 

[cooleddie74]

The Ferengi Trade Zone. Either they rebranded themselves at some point or the Alliance lost more value than a Marauder Mo action figure removed from the package.

 

[Discovery McDiscoveryFace]

Where are you getting those numbers from?

There was a fairly reliable article on it about a month back. Didn't save it and can't find it now, but basically per episode: Hunter 700, Giamatti 650, Fehr 150, Notaro 100, Rosta 35, and I think the other main kids were 30. Can't remember Picardo. I am guessing the B'Avis and Kyles and Occams are 20 or 25.

 

[Discovery McDiscoveryFace]

Yeah, some budget issue makes sense but you can't help but see him as basically an extra... despite being roommates with two of the characters and otherwise part of the group. You could make some excuse that he stayed on Betazed so that his father wouldn't notice Tarima being missing or something, but it felt like an afterthought.

Oh he stayed back. To shave. with his Razor.

ETA: I still can't believe they haven't done that yet in the series.

 

[cooleddie74]

This is when the spore drive would be useful. Do the Lorca manoeuvre on them.

Or the Protostar's engine tech, which though over 800 years old at this point would still be a noticeable step above conventional warp drive travel.

 

[Discovery McDiscoveryFace]

The Venari Ral are marauders. They are basically a criminal enterprise. It makes no sense to me that they would build a huge quanity of omega 47 mines to enclose the Federation Space. Space is 3D and the UFP is massive. You would need millions of mines to blockade the Federation. That makes no sense for a criminal enterprise that is profit driven.

The Venari Ral could easily place one or two omega 47 mines around Earth, Betazed or Ni'var and easily extort wealth or technology from the UFP in return. The Federation, being a well known soft touch in the galaxy, would easily give in. The UFP is no Klingon Empire.

If these 1 or 2 were moveable cloaked mines, that would also do the job

 

[CT_Phipps]

The Venari Ral are marauders. They are basically a criminal enterprise. It makes no sense to me that they would build a huge quanity of omega 47 mines to enclose the Federation Space. Space is 3D and the UFP is massive. You would need millions of mines to blockade the Federation. That makes no sense for a criminal enterprise that is profit driven.

While I agree on the scale, I think a huge chunk of Nus' arguments are the Federation keep trying to shove them into that category when they are not profit driven.

Nus didn't take the bribe they offered in the training mission to get these weapons for money.

He hates the Federation ideologically.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

He hates the Federation ideologically.

Yup, it's a deep seated hatred for the entire UFP & what it stands for.

His evil faction that he is a part of, the Venari Ral, seems to be more than just Marauders/Pirates.

They seem quite organized, almost like a rival Nation State, but composed of "Bad Guys".

 

[Elaise]

Good episode, made me smile a few times.

Still, starfleet are a bunch of fucking incompetent idiots.

 

[Enterprise1701]

I am even less a fan of SAM than I was before her reboot. But I assume I am in the minority for disliking this "friendship" trope.

 

[tenmei]

Does this episode establish Reno as the Chief Engineer of the Athena without outright saying so.

An auxiliary Sickbay is on Deck 2, but no real indication of where this is in relation to the Bridge.

Where is Kelrec? Had he already beamed down to Betazed or did he get left behind on Earth again?

EDIT - Whem Terima gets in the Turbolift with Caleb, the Academy Levels are listed towards the door, and Terima gets on at Deck 33, unclear if Caleb gets on at Deck 34 or 35. It also clearly shows the lifts moving up the decks but not the Academy levels. Terima gets off on Deck 16.

EDIT the Second - Terima seems a bit TOO worried about Caleb sneaking off to Ishaak, and ending up with the Omega-Wall after we previously had the Psychic-Wall of Betazed. The too good to be a coincidence sense is tingling

EDIT the Third - The Bridge is on Deck 2.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

The Venari Ral are marauders. They are basically a criminal enterprise. It makes no sense to me that they would build a huge quanity of omega 47 mines to enclose the Federation Space. Space is 3D and the UFP is massive. You would need millions of mines to blockade the Federation. That makes no sense for a criminal enterprise that is profit driven.

The Venari Ral could easily place one or two omega 47 mines around Earth, Betazed or Ni'var and easily extort wealth or technology from the UFP in return. The Federation, being a well known soft touch in the galaxy, would easily give in. The UFP is no Klingon Empire.

Thinking that the Venari Ral are marauders is completely underestimating them. It's the mistake that the Federation is making in dealing with them. Braka repeatedly points this out to both Ake and Vance in episode 6 and they don't get it until it's too late

You also seem to have missed them referring to themselves as 'The Venari Ral Empire'. They have a sizeable chunk of territory under their control, ships that can go toe to toe with Federation starships and have shown repeatedly how well organised they are and how capable they are of outsmarting Starfleet. These are not people who view themselves as thugs and pirates but as a nation state who is not afraid of the Federation or Starfleet and wants to take their place.

The amount of mines being used is a show of strength and superiority. Braka did this because he could. This isn't about extorting technology or money, this is about control and domination and chaos. Braka doesn't give a flying fuck about any of those things you mentioned. His beef with the Federation is ideological and philosophical.

 

[tenmei]

You also seem to have missed them referring to themselves as 'The Venari Ral Empire'. They have a sizeable chunk of territory under their control, ships that can go toe to toe with Federation starships and have shown repeatedly how well organised they are and how capable they are of outsmarting Starfleet. These are not people who view themselves as thugs and pirates but as a nation state who is not afraid of the Federation or Starfleet and wants to take their place.

I think both can be true, we've just yet to visit Nassau. Nus Braka as Head of State of a Pirate Republic. The comparison to Edward Treach and Jack Rackham and Nus Braka is interesting. Still sure that Anisha is the Anne Bonny to Braka's Rackham.

Is this weeks planet of the week our Space Tortuga?

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I think both can be true, we've just yet to visit Nassau. Nus Braka as Head of State of a Pirate Republic. The comparison to Edward Treach and Jack Rackham and Nus Braka is interesting. Still sure that Anisha is the Anne Bonny to Braka's Rackham.

Is this weeks planet of the week our Space Tortuga?

Both are true. The point I am making is that thinking of the Venari Ral as just 'marauders' who are motivated by profit is shortsighted and why the Federation is getting continually bloodied-nosed.

Braka is right about one thing, The Federation is arrogant and complacent. The Federation does a lot of good, but they are also doing something incredibly stupid and irresponsible in synthesising omega and making weapons from it. That is something that is not going to go down well with member races who are still traumatised by the Burn. Surrounding and trapping the Federation with it's own dirty secrets is the ultimate coup de grace for the point Braka is trying to make.

 

[Romulan_spy]

When Vance said that Stafleet would bring the entire fleet to Betazed for the new government ceremony, it reminded of me Starfleet Day in Picard S3 where Starfleet pulled the entire fleet back to Earth. It seems like a really bad idea. Nus Braka could detonate an Omega mine close to Betazed and disable all of Starleet's warp engines in a single shot.

I did like seeing Ake, Reno and the Doctor on the bridge of the Athena. It was nice seeing the adults being good bridge officers. And we got to see Ake be a captain and doing a good job.