What’s the “prison but not a prison thing from the start of the series”?Could just be a inconsistency, or war college or whatever
See the prison but not a prison thing from the start of the series
Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x08 – “The Life of the Stars”
I was thinking third years attending the Starfleet Academy, but in the Beta Quadrant.
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Ake was "merciful" and sent Anisha to a rehabilitation facility instead of prison, yet refers to it as a prison later.
And apparently Brakka and her broke out together? now he could be lying but it would be easy to check? and I wold assume it would be important to confirm that that is a lie and that would make asking him for information about her less of a thing since it is unreliable?
So either he also got sent to one in which case Ake wasn't particularly merciful to Anisha ("I am helping you it is not prison").
You could make a point that being sent to a rehabilitation facility against your will isn't nice either, or that prisons should be rehabilitation facilities by default other than in extreme cases, but oh well.
Also another inconsistency, there is that "starfleet has changed" and isn't as cruel anymore, yet nothing has been done for her in 14 years? no parole no early release for good behaviour?
I really liked this one, even though I have some criticism.. I loved the parallels between the play and the real lives of the cadets, I loved all the stuff concerning the Doctor (Picardo is top-notch, as always), I loved the musical score (the return of the Caleb & Karima love theme (also in the end credits), the SFA theme in the final scenes, the theramin theme for SAM... Really a lot to love..!
Minor flaws for me were:
- I don't remember Tilly ever having an overt fascination for theatre, felt kind of out-of-the-blue...
- I was hoping to see a lot more of Kasq... the use of the SFA sets was kind of 'cheap'... The sets are gorgeous, but I think a too great of a percentage is spent on them... Hoping episodes 9 and 10 will be more varried location-wise...
- I liked to callback to VOY's 'Real Life', but now it seemed The Doctor NEVER wanted to be close to anyone anymore for HUNDREDS of years because he lost Belle (who wasn't even a sentient hologram)... That was a bit of a stretch, especially because in later seasons of VOY, we see the Doc getting very attached to many people...
But apart from all that, I loved the episode, and it felt like a definate step-up from Ko'zeine (which I didn't think was bad, but not all that great either).
Minor flaws for me were:
- I don't remember Tilly ever having an overt fascination for theatre, felt kind of out-of-the-blue...
- I was hoping to see a lot more of Kasq... the use of the SFA sets was kind of 'cheap'... The sets are gorgeous, but I think a too great of a percentage is spent on them... Hoping episodes 9 and 10 will be more varried location-wise...
- I liked to callback to VOY's 'Real Life', but now it seemed The Doctor NEVER wanted to be close to anyone anymore for HUNDREDS of years because he lost Belle (who wasn't even a sentient hologram)... That was a bit of a stretch, especially because in later seasons of VOY, we see the Doc getting very attached to many people...
But apart from all that, I loved the episode, and it felt like a definate step-up from Ko'zeine (which I didn't think was bad, but not all that great either).
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They're still Starfleet Academy - this isn't the first class of the Academy, just the first in SF. The third years are probably the Cadets we saw in Disco S4.
Honestly... second week in a row I was bored out of my tree. How can these episodes cost 10 mil a pop?
LOL. Not that you'd expect these writers to keep every tiny detail straight (us all, irrevocably), but sentient holograms were pretty rare in the 24th century. The Doctor’s holographic family definitely wasn’t one of the exceptions (which the Doctor was well-aware of).
I mean, of course interactive fictions can move us; I was pretty choked up after finishing my first playthrough of Red Dead Redemption 2 and The Last of Us Part 2. But I'm fine now.
I can't speak to this episode (couldn't make it past the halfway mark of the pilot), but as for the price tag, I guess executive producers gotta eat (all 25 or so of them).
I mean, of course interactive fictions can move us; I was pretty choked up after finishing my first playthrough of Red Dead Redemption 2 and The Last of Us Part 2. But I'm fine now.
I can't speak to this episode (couldn't make it past the halfway mark of the pilot), but as for the price tag, I guess executive producers gotta eat (all 25 or so of them).
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Yeah, I don’t think that really an inconsistency, at least not yet. We just don’t have all the facts yet. Ake sends Caleb’s mother to a rehabilitation facility, but then 15 years later she says Anisha broke out of prison. So I guess there’s just part of the story we don’t know yet. At some point in these 15 years Anisha Mir apparently did something that landed her in prison. I suspect we’ll get the full picture at a later point in the show, maybe the season finale.
Could be but in that case I would be very pissed at Ake if I was Caleb for not telling me some very important things, she did have time to tell him that she spent her days learning and that it is a shame that she did not get a chance to go to school before. And that with a tiny gap to "she escaped prison" would get some very insistent questions from me.
This was probably the most YA of all of the episodes thus far.
BUT, it was excellent in the same breath. Dealing with trauma whether Tarima, Sam, the Doctor or the other cadets. Using Our Town as a guide for dealing with trauma. Visiting Kasa. Confident fucking Sylvia Tilly! Well done, Red, indeed.
I’ve enjoyed this show so far, but it keeps getting better and better in my book. 9/10.
BUT, it was excellent in the same breath. Dealing with trauma whether Tarima, Sam, the Doctor or the other cadets. Using Our Town as a guide for dealing with trauma. Visiting Kasa. Confident fucking Sylvia Tilly! Well done, Red, indeed.
I’ve enjoyed this show so far, but it keeps getting better and better in my book. 9/10.
The reason I didn't give it a 10/10 was due to the use of Our Town. It sort of relied on the audience having a semi-functional awareness of the play (musical?) and I would argue that the vast majority of the audience won't. Yes, they tried to rehash talking points, but its not unlike reading an essay - it's not the same as having read or experienced the book/play.
Just a point of clarification. Our Town is a play. And it has been decades since we read (part of?) it in junior high English class. I certainly don’t remember the plot points or anything. Oddly, what I remember most about the play is an episode of Growing Pains where Mike played George.
Am I the only one who found the training simulation odd? The cadets seem to fail primarily because they aren't receiving orders, yet the scenario implies that Jett Reno is in command (after all, she's sitting in the chair in the middle) – and she's not playing unconscious. For comparison, in Star Trek II, Saavik is clearly the one expected to give orders in the Kobayashi Maru simulation.
Okay, I've never done this many multi-quotes before so sorry if I disregard anyone's posts.
I subscribe to the view that, as with a few other aspects, Mary was due to appear in more episodes, something changed, and the writers room, which sounds like a too-many-cooks thing, didn't track it totally. There's a lot of history in TV where scripts change resulting in weird familiarity. V the series was riddled in this regard.
Mama Mir was sent to rehab but broke out of "prison". You could headcanon that she was a bit of a dick in rehab so got an upgrade.
I think this came up before - they explicitly talk about this being the first Academy class at San Fransisco / Sausalito but there is ambiguity about whether existing cadet streams are WC or ACA. I think the Disco-featured ones are ACA
I like to think of her as being neurodiverse, with the potential to have lots of niche interests and things that come and go. We saw her being a total party chick during the Magic to Make the Samest Go Mad episode. In universe, she's about 26 chronologically.
10.
Best episode this season, maybe best episode of nuTrek. The story with SAM and the Doctor was the best part for me. And I love that they tied things back to the episode of VOY where the Doctor created a holographic family and he finally got to raise a daughter. And the use of the play as a mirror to what the cadets were experiencing, was very well done. A very poignant and emotional episode about growing up and processing trauma. I literally cried at the end.
Best episode this season, maybe best episode of nuTrek. The story with SAM and the Doctor was the best part for me. And I love that they tied things back to the episode of VOY where the Doctor created a holographic family and he finally got to raise a daughter. And the use of the play as a mirror to what the cadets were experiencing, was very well done. A very poignant and emotional episode about growing up and processing trauma. I literally cried at the end.
Not really. Maybe Reno was sitting in the captain's chair just because she was in charge of the simulation but the parameters of the sim prohibited her from getting involved since the sim was about testing the cadet's teamwork. In other words, maybe the sim was not about her captaining but about the cadets reacting to a scenario. Maybe in the scenario, the captain is out of commission. In contrast, the Kobayashi Maru is a test of the captain.
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They were supposed to work together and listen and communicate, which they weren't doing. Reno was effectively playing dead.
I just realized something. There was a very interesting (if not slightly unsettling) choice made during this episode. A lot of the scenes were just our main cast on these huge sets. There really didn’t seem to be a lot of extras until Sam came back in the end.
As a theater guy, it came off extremely theatrical in nature as extras really aren’t things in plays. Our core team isn’t the only group affected by the Miyazaki incident. But of course they’re not leads on this show.
While it was extremely effective especially with the concept of the episode, it was a little unsettling considering it’s rare to not have background players in Star Trek.
Very interesting.
As a theater guy, it came off extremely theatrical in nature as extras really aren’t things in plays. Our core team isn’t the only group affected by the Miyazaki incident. But of course they’re not leads on this show.
While it was extremely effective especially with the concept of the episode, it was a little unsettling considering it’s rare to not have background players in Star Trek.
Very interesting.
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