Starfleet Academy Starship Thread

[Dukhat]

This is my point? The Sampson/Wallenberg and Walker both come from the same concept art which is also where two of Eaves' other STO concepts come from).

I'm aware of the Leondegrance copy/paste but I wasn't really discussing that (and I hope to god it gets retconned and they just use something like STO's Georgiou or Vesper-class instead for the Lancelot-class). It's like when Matalas reposted that Eleos XII "launch date configuration" a fan made that put Nova-class features in the 2350s, which is WAY too early (the Nova is clearly post-Intrepid, probably 2370 launch date like the Equinox's plaque).

What launch date configuration is that? First I’ve heard of this.

 

[Eudoxia]

What launch date configuration is that? First I’ve heard of this.

Sorry it was Dave Blass. This really belongs in the PIC Starship Thread though if we want to move it there?

 

[Dukhat]

Sorry it was Dave Blass. This really belongs in the PIC Starship Thread though if we want to move it there?

Sure, I’m good with that.

 

[Janewaysson]

Grrr Dave Blass

 

[Dukhat]

Yes, you said the Engle looks pre-TOS, and I was just pointing out why it looks more like something from the Excelsior-era to me.

You’re not wrong. Unfortunately the NX-01 had a beveled edge as well.

 

[Tuskin38]

According to the designer, the Credence was based off a Scott Schneider design from the 23rd century seasons of Discovery. So maybe the Miyazaki is either the original Scott design or more closely based off the original design.

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/KO9Bq9

This was originally an early design for a different ship that was cut from the script, where the brief included 6 nacelles and two primary hulls each with their own bridge section. There was an unused design by Scott Schneider from an earlier season that the client really liked, and they asked me to update it for the 32nd century. I wanted to try pulling the aesthetic back towards classic Trek a bit, my rationale was that it was an older workhorse that had been in service for a long time and was ultimately refitted with the trademark 32nd century floating tech. When we eventually needed a design for the Credence I thought this design could fit - happy it got to see the light of day!

 

[Lakenheath 72]

Graphics in the episode identify the Miyazaki as a Constitution-class starship. This would be our fifth Constitution-class starship. And, the Miyazaki has the same registry as another ship.

 

[Tuskin38]

Graphics in the episode identify the Miyazaki as a Constitution-class starship.

Where?

Edit: found it. Also gives a launch date of 3067

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Graphics in the episode identify the Miyazaki as a Constitution-class starship. This would be our fifth Constitution-class starship. And, the Miyazaki has the same registry as another ship.

I noticed memory alpha had the Miyazaki listed as constitution class and figured it was just someone making up details and editing the page.

I wonder if the Miyazaki was intended to be a 32nd century Constitution before they decided to use a new ship model and the background graphics just weren't changed

 

[Enterprise1701]

I wonder if the Miyazaki was intended to be a 32nd century Constitution before they decided to use a new ship model and the background graphics just weren't changed

Reminds me of how the nonsensically gigantic elevator space in the DIS season 3 finale may have arisen from being scripted for the Viridian before being changed at the last moment to the U.S.S. Discovery.

Or how the Sombra-class U.S.S. Peregrine in SNW season 1 is a head-scratching copy of the Constitution class despite the different class name, which makes me wonder if that was really the initial idea of the scriptwriters.

 

[Markonian]

I'm fast-forwarding through the episode but haven't found graphics identifying the Miyazaki's class yet.
Whatever the class name, it is a Credence-class variant.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I'm fast-forwarding through the episode but haven't found graphics identifying the Miyazaki's class yet.
Whatever the class name, it is a Credence-class variant.

The class name along with the ships stats is shown when Kelrec brings up the ship schematics in sick bay.

 

[tax1234]

It's around 40 minutes in the episode, on a holographic schematic between Kelrec and the Doctor.

It says things like:
Ship Class: Constitution
Commission Date: 3067
Years Active: 3067-3069
... and so on

And, to me at least, the rest of the text makes it seem far more like a Pike-era ship, than a modern, Burn-era vessel...

Was that, perhaps, the original idea? A much older ship? Old enough to make it to the comic books before the chaos of the Burn?

 

[tenmei]

It's around 40 minutes in the episode, on a holographic schematic between Kelrec and the Doctor.

It says things like:
Ship Class: Constitution
Commission Date: 3067
Years Active: 3067-3069
... and so on

And, to me at least, the rest of the text makes it seem far more like a Pike-era ship, than a modern, Burn-era vessel...

Was that, perhaps, the original idea? A much older ship? Old enough to make it to the comic books before the chaos of the Burn?

So that's what, our fifth Constitution?

1701
1701- A
1701- G
Miyazaki
Armstrong (aka Kirk Class)

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'm fast-forwarding through the episode but haven't found graphics identifying the Miyazaki's class yet.
Whatever the class name, it is a Credence-class variant.

That second one is 100% based on the 2009/Into Darkness graphics also used on the Bluray menus.

Also did anyone else notice mention of the Discovery in this episode? I'm still unsure where SFA takes place, is it after Disco proper and before the epilogue, or after the epilogue?

 

[Agony_Boothb]

That second one is 100% based on the 2009/Into Darkness graphics also used on the Bluray menus.

Also did anyone else notice mention of the Discovery in this episode? I'm still unsure where SFA takes place, is it after Disco proper and before the epilogue, or after the epilogue?

Discovery's final season was set in 3191, the epilogue is in the 3230's given that we meet Burnham's son who is in his mid 30's at least as he's just been promoted to captain. SFA hasn't verbally confirmed the year but it appears to take place in 3195.

 

[Quantum21]

Discovery's final season was set in 3191, the epilogue is in the 3230's given that we meet Burnham's son who is in his mid 30's at least as he's just been promoted to captain. SFA hasn't verbally confirmed the year but it appears to take place in 3195.

I think it was publicized as 3194

 

[Agony_Boothb]

So that's what, our fifth Constitution?

1701
1701- A
1701- G
Miyazaki
Armstrong (aka Kirk Class)

I'm convinced the Miyazaki was meant to be one of the 32nd century Constitutions but they decided to go with a new model and forgot to change the background detail in the scene where Kelrec brings up the display with the ship stats.

We know the current Constitution Class was in service when the Burn hit so it makes zero sense for there to be two classes with the same name in the same time period.

However, the constitution class has only been conjectured to be such by Owosekun. The class has never directly been referred to by name. Maybe, they've decided to go with Kirk Class behind the scenes

 

[Arvis Tadjik]

That second one is 100% based on the 2009/Into Darkness graphics also used on the Bluray menus.

Also did anyone else notice mention of the Discovery in this episode? I'm still unsure where SFA takes place, is it after Disco proper and before the epilogue, or after the epilogue?

SFA should fall in the year 3191, in the same year but after the events of DIS S5. The very first new class of Starfleet Academy was formed in 3190 aboard Federation HQ (DIS S4) which would make all of that class the sophomore class of the Academy upon its return to Earth in 3191 (meaning we still won't see any cadets graduate for 2 more years...). Otherwise if it's set in 3195, then there was at least 4 preceeding SFA classes aboard Federation HQ before the move to Earth. Either year is plausible.

By contrast, the Discovery epilogue takes place in the 3220-3230's, 30+ years after the events of DIS S5. Book and Burhnam are in their 60-70's while their son Leto is in his 30's.

 

[Tosk]

And Reno is clearly not thirty years older than the last time we saw her.