Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x06 – “Come, Let’s Away”

[Agony_Boothb]

Not everyone who doesn't like an episode belongs in the same bucket with all the serial haters. Surely anyone can freely choose to watch 58 min of a new Trek ep once a week. That response fits the typical hater stuff, but not the post it was aimed at. Which happens a lot, people see so much constant (and unjustified) negativity from some people that they then see other people's justified negativity as more of the same, even to the point of confusing the posters with each other. It's better to address the comments actually made, not to extrapolate beyond it (IMO).

How about both you and @Detached Nacelle save the moderating for the moderators?

 

[Turtletrekker]

Honestly, the puritan streak I've seen regarding this episode has really been surprising. It's not even just been here - I've seen other people bring it up, as if stuff like this hasn't happend in Trek before:

Spoiler: Hiding lewds seen onscreen in Trek.

Gene's vision.

 

[Oso Blanco]

I knew from the very beginning that the bigmouth was gonna be the first of the gang to die, what an old trope!

The main computer updates itself from a comic book?

When she said "we sense stuff" I didn't know wheather to laugh or to cry.

The modulated voice of the Klingon is really annoying ... couldn't they find an actor with a real Klingon like voice?

The main computer happily chirping "welcome to the singularity access portal" ... WTF?

 

[cooleddie74]

Gene's vision.

Especially that last picture.

 

[Tuskin38]

Btw, I didn’t notice the bridge was a redress. Kudos!

... how?

 

[Mudd]

Like what? A superhero? Few are, but many answer the call

So Data has really good Shock Absorbing Legs & Tough Bullet Proof Outter Shell.
He's also incredibly kind and catches Lily Sloane when she faints.

Not quite what I envisioned for a Android based Super Hero.

It doesn't matter what you "envision." Having the ability to absorb automatic gunfire while jumping from story to story of a tower are superhuman abilities.

Once again, you're moving goalposts because your assertions - one can hardly call them "arguments" - don't hold water.

 

[fireproof78]

watched him and wondered "what am I supposed to love so much about this character?"

You're not.

 

[GothicPudding]

The Furies were the big baddies in the novel's "Coda" Trilogy published in 2021. They were written by Dayton Ward, James Swallow, and David Mack, in that order. Those books were meant to "reconcile" the post-DS9 novel timeline with the on-air timeline by the time of the end of Picard, season 3.

I don’t think that’s right. The main antagonists in Coda were the Devidians. Here’s a 2021 discussion of the 1996 Invasion! series from the Literature forum that mentions the Furies.

 

[cooleddie74]

Nus Braka is a sociopath and bad guy. We don't "love him," except to the extent that we love Paul Giamatti's hammy performance.

 

[firehawk12]

You're not.

I remember people talking about a Shaw spinoff as part of the Star Trek: Legacy discussions before the ending happened. lol

Nus Braka is a sociopath and bad guy. We don't "love him," except to the extent that we love Paul Giamatti's hammy performance.

That was in response to my comment about people loving Shaw.

 

[cooleddie74]

Shaw is a very damaged but still dutiful and - at heart - decent man. Wolf 359 and his hatred for the Borg tainted over 30 years of his life, but somehow he still rose above all that to recommend Seven for promotion and help save the day.

 

[cooleddie74]

Spock using "comic book" powers in TOS all the way back in 1968.

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[firehawk12]

Shaw is a broken but still dutiful and - at heart - decent man. Wolf 359 and his hatred for the Borg tainted over 30 years of his life, but somehow he still rose above all that to recommend Seven for promotion and help save the day.

Not to get too much into Picard in this thread, but I have no problem with his character or character arc, just how the writers/directors/producers depicted that in the series. Shaw's big reveal of his past, with a touch of Geordi fanboyism thrown in later on. I think he maybe has one moment with Seven at the end of the series that feels like a meaningful conversation between two characters and not him lecturing at someone or someone lecturing at him.

So far all of Braka's interactions with the characters in this series has been Paul Giamatti shouting monologues at people. And I guess a fist fight with Caleb. It's fine for what it is, but it would have been more interesting for Braka and Ake to actually debate each other rather than give him two speeches where he is basically mocking her and she sits there in silence.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

The Furies were the big baddies in the novel's "Coda" Trilogy published in 2021. They were written by Dayton Ward, James Swallow, and David Mack, in that order. Those books were meant to "reconcile" the post-DS9 novel timeline with the on-air timeline by the time of the end of Picard, season 3.

No they weren't. The Devidian's from 'Time's Arrow' where the villains of 'Coda'

The Furies had their own novel series titled Invasion! back in the 90's.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

It doesn't matter what you "envision." Having the ability to absorb automatic gunfire while jumping from story to story of a tower are superhuman abilities.

SuperHuman Capabilities are one thing, but when you design that feature into your android as a baseline spec, it becomes a "Bog Standard" Feature for his model of Robot.

Your assumptions come from framing the comparison against standard Human Capability.
Where as I'm looking at the core design of a Robot/Android and seeing what it was designed for, or capable of, or how it's used.

Once again, you're moving goalposts because your assertions - one can hardly call them "arguments" - don't hold water.

I base my assertion on what I see in media, that's why for a Android to be a real "Super Hero", he needs to be capable of high level combat like what we see in Marvel Movies or other Super Hero movies/Films/Shows.

While Data is capable of several SuperHuman capabilities, he's hardly designed for combat as his primary goal or modus operandi.

So no, I'm not moving any goal posts because my goals weren't designed around your assertions.

You assume your reasoning is the defacto answer, when I'm looking at it from a different view point.

 

[fireproof78]

remember people talking about a Shaw spinoff as part of the Star Trek: Legacy discussions before the ending happened. lol

That doesn't mean you're "supposed to" like him. Just that people did.

It's not logical but often true.

 

[cooleddie74]

An even more extreme example is Michael Corleone. By most metrics he's a killer and a pervasive, negative influence on both crime and the body politic. But he's liked because A.) Al Pacino's mesmerizing performances across three Godfather films and B.) he's still better and marginally more righteous than all the forces and crooks aligned against his family. He's "good" by default. Still a criminal with blood on his hands, but with an origin story of wanting to be a good and loving man who served his country and loved his wife.

 

[EmoBorg]

Best episode so far. I like Paul Giamatti hamming it up. If you play as the main villain, it is better to overact than to underact, IMHO.

Good villains make medicore stories better. They also make good stories great.

I was sad to see the War College Vulcan die. I actually liked him. He was very Vulcan while his partner in crime, the Romulan girl was the opposite. They made for a good pair of minor antagonists.

 

[Ceridwen]

I still find it more odd that Braka is a Julie Andrews fan than Tarima being able to project her telepathic powers through space and having them manifest in a visible form as literal shockwaves. lol

You haven't experienced Rogers and Hammerstein until you've heard it in the original Klingarite.

The sonic stuff was also really odd. The Intrepid has a sonic weapon that works through space?

The U.S.S. Sargasso mentioned preparing for transmission; I assumed their sonic weapon was deployed over the enemy's comms system.

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I am surprised by how much B'Avi's death hurt this week. I hope we follow up with Dzolo next episode.

It's been a long time since I found myself looking forward to new Star Trek. It feels good.

 

[firehawk12]

That doesn't mean you're "supposed to" like him. Just that people did.

It's not logical but often true.

Not to put words in their mouth, but I think Sakonna was wondering why people liked him as much as he did and I thought the same thing - not that audiences were supposed to like him.

To me Shaw was fine as a more boring version of Jellico but the character didn't really do anything special to spark so much interest in seeing more of him, so I was certainly confused by the fan reaction.