Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x03 – “Vitus Reflux”

[Markonian]

They're so well-suited to it...

Indeed. (I needed to censor the word and it works because the Gorn are such a weirdly attractive group of species).

Image by Odd The Sun God.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Exactly. You don't want things (and people) to get so "evolved" and "futuristic" and "utopian" that we can't relate to the characters.

So, Kirk drinks coffee and eats chicken sandwichs and gripes when McCoy tells him to eat more salads, etc. And people occasionally swear and squabble and lose their tempers, and college kids are sometimes immature and make bad decisions . . . .

Isn't that the same scene where Kirk is gifted reading glasses. Something that really should not exist in the future if you are to go by the picky standards of some.

 

[The Wormhole]

None of those shows broke Canon as badly. Also none were hated as much as any Kurtzman Trek.

Back twenty years ago, Voyager and Enterprise were indeed hated amongst fandom as much as the Kurtzman shows are now. "Breaking canon" was one of the most common complaints people made about Enterprise back in the day. Even Voyager got some vitriol over ignoring what the other shows established, particularly Dark Frontier and stuff about the Borg.

 

[Set Harth]

or creating revenge gorn.

I don't even want to know.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Enterprise giving Romulans cloaks 100 years before Balance of Terror is by far the most egregious so-called "canon violation" ever committed in the franchise. Discovery changed the Klingons? What, again? That was nothing in comparison.

The Star Trek canon is malleable and it always has been. In one episode, the mirror universe can have cloaking devices, and in another episode they can base the entire story on the mirror universe not having cloaking devices.

At the end of the day, the pieces don't all fit together perfectly and they don't have to. It's not inviable history, it's mythology. And frankly, Star Trek's mythology is a lot more cohesive than the myths of old.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yeah, and the rest of the world when see those American shows is like "When these people study?!?"

In between episodes of course. Does the rest of the world make TV shows about the characters studying???? Just students listening to Teachers and taking notes?

 

[eschaton]

In between episodes of course. Does the rest of the world make TV shows about the characters studying???? Just students listening to Teachers and taking notes?

Anxiety around exams is a big part of youth drama!

 

[Arpy]

Bro you're talking to someone who watched first run Voyager as a teenager, loved it and spent literal hours defending it online. So don't presume to make assumptions about what I like or dislike.

“Bro” what are you even talking about? I haven’t asked you what you like or dislike. And I’ve seen all Trek from “Encounter at Farpoint” on first run so don’t make presumptions about me either, please and thank you.

I'm not attacking anything, but stating facts that none of the series are perfect and some that are now considered 'classic' had glaring flaws. Like I said. I am old enough to remember how hostile the fanbase were to Enterprise, how maligned Voyager was and the constant comparisons between TNG and DS9. I also remember the continual calls for Rick Berman and Brannon Braga to be replaced.

Yeah, I was one of those in those discussions and haven’t forgotten them. Nor do I give those shows a pass just because (come to a Zoom, we can talk about it) or do I attack current shows for the same. I rather liked DSC s1, and Pike on DSC has for me been him at his best. I loved PRO. I wish we could have gotten 7 years of the PIC s1 universe and of course LEG. Plus there are things in all the current series I like, including in SFA. Be that all as it may, it doesn’t change anything.

The arguments being made against new trek are the exact same as the ones that were being made towards 90's trek. It's just the same shit repeated ad nauseum. I have my criticisms of each series, but I also genuinely enjoy them all and I don't understand the need to tear down the latest franchise offering because of some arbitrary, inconsistent and down right hypocritical set of criteria.

Nah, I disagree. And I’m not the only one.

 

[Char Kais]

Starfleet officers waxing nostalgic about their rowdy Academy days, and the antics they got into

Absolutely. Hearing how interesting characters became the way they are? Fine. Spending hours of watching them to get there? Not so much.

I love TNG "Tapestry". For one episode, that's great. But I wouldn't watch an entire series based on that.

100%

Nailed it on the head.
Completely underrated comment.

Transporter phasers existed in TNG with.. The Gambit? (Picard on the pirate ship)

There is just so much not to like about this episode.

I will say that the phasers being set to transport was cool, though we have seen this in the past. (As far back as TNG's "Gambit" two-parter.)

Don't forget Picard season 3.

Even the Picard writers thought they came up with something new.

"Portable beam-me-up"... Rick and Morty language...

NuTrek writers don't know Star Trek.

 

[Mudd]

The burn just affected dilithium. That wouldn't affect replicator technology.

Sudden loss of trade might affect the availability of rare materials and specialty manufacturing required for common machines and appliances to exist - the same as it would, and does, in the real world. Then you either can't make the gadgets, have to innovate new designs where possible, or make compromises in function and reliability.

You can pick out easy analogies like olives off the ground under a tree - everything from rare earths for AI and battery tech to Cubans improvising to keep old Detroit automobiles running for decades.

In between episodes of course. Does the rest of the world make TV shows about the characters studying???? Just students listening to Teachers and taking notes?

Most YA treats school as an environmental condition of life. If school enters into the emotional lives of the characters it's most often as a cause of some unfairness or unexpected stress on one of the focal characters.

 

[Starflight]

Nah, I disagree. And I’m not the only one.

Got a laugh out of this comment in that thread:

 

[Mudd]

Got a laugh out of this comment in that thread:

This could have inspired the coinage of "Touch grass." Not that it did...

 

[TheUsualSuspect]

I think the fact that this show is a youth show, a young adult show, doesn't fit the overall structure of Star Trek.

What is "the overall structure of Star Trek," though? Does DS9 fit it? Does Lower Decks fit it? How about Picard? All of those would seem to deviate from the norm of previous Star Trek series in some way.

If we take the original series as a norm - a non-serialized, episodic series set on a Federation starship in Federation and near-by space - we really have only three series that fit that overall structure: TOS/TAS, TNG, and SNW.

If we look at it that way, most of Star Trek to date doesn't fit the overall structure. So I ask again, what's that overall structure?

 

[1001001]

Is Stephen Colbert being used for just this one episode or is he cast as the Digital Dean?

 

[cooleddie74]

Star Trek is now everything from dark political drama and intrigue to self-referential, fourth wall-breaking humor and physical slapstick, and it's all canon. And I'm fine with that.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Is Stephen Colbert being used for just this one episode or is he cast as the Digital Dean?

He's been voicing the campus computer in all three episodes so far. He's a main cast member in the opening credits and even gets a special "with" credit.

 

[Ceridwen]

Is Stephen Colbert being used for just this one episode or is he cast as the Digital Dean?

Pretty sure he's been in every episode so far.

 

[1001001]

Wow I totally missed that until this episode!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Anxiety around exams is a big part of youth drama!

Hijinks will ensue.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Wow I totally missed that until this episode!

You will now pay the penance of being forced to watch every upcoming episode of the show and noticing him every single time.