Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x02 – “Beta Test”

[Turtletrekker]

i was on this BBS when ENT came out, and the forum wars of ENT's catastrophic offences against holy canon were the stuff of legend.

I was younger then, and i did have issues with ENT and its relationship to canon, but as you get older, you just roll with it. It's just a TV show.

Giving Romulans cloaks 100 years before Balance of Terror is more egregious a "canon violation" than anything done in the modern era. Now it's just accepted.

I remember being upset to the changes to the Klingons once. In 1979. Just rolled with the multiple and various changes to the species since then. Didn't always like the changes, but I just rolled with them.

 

[fireproof78]

Pedantry?

No. Just proof that Legacy can appear in any century.

Giving Romulans cloaks 100 years before Balance of Terror is more egregious a "canon violation" than anything done in the modern era. Now it's just accepted.

I remember being upset to the changes to the Klingons once. In 1979. Just rolled with the multiple and various changes to the species since then. Didn't always like the changes, but I just rolled with them.

Real world historical dramas and comedies get way more latitude than Star Trek ever does.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Giving Romulans cloaks 100 years before Balance of Terror is more egregious a "canon violation" than anything done in the modern era. Now it's just accepted.

I could be mistaken but I vaguely recall a novel I think explaining they were prototypes for shipboard cloaks and the experiment failed miserably. Almost anything can just be turned into a new story and that's wonderful.

 

[I am not Spock]

Giving Romulans cloaks 100 years before Balance of Terror is more egregious a "canon violation" than anything done in the modern era. Now it's just accepted.

I remember being upset to the changes to the Klingons once. In 1979. Just rolled with the multiple and various changes to the species since then. Didn't always like the changes, but I just rolled with them.

Yeah. I remember the 'cancel ENT ' cultists. Now it's held up as the last bastion of the Great Trek Era (TM).

The more this fanbase changes, the more it stays the same

 

[Fateor]

My take on the subject is that the Burn is meant to have essentially begun a domino effect. The world of replicators, unlimited power, and unlimited resources depended on planets all cooperating in the Federation. However, once you've disrupted all those supply lines and gotten rid of 99% of the galaxy's space travel vessels, then huge chunks of the ability to rebuild will be curtailed.

And that's assuming people DID rebuild because the theme of DISCO was that no one wanted to become space travel dependent again until they knew what caused the Burn. Which means that planets tried to become self-sufficient again or failed completely.

Then the technology goes from Sufficiently Advanced to Analog to whatever.

As we saw in the pilot, worlds now have actual famine even under the Federation's control.

Fusion reactors didn't explode, so they still would have had unlimited power, which means they still would have been able to just replicate anything they wanted.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Fusion reactors didn't explode, so they still would have had unlimited power, which means they still would have been able to just replicate anything they wanted.

They clearly can't replicate dilithium in the 34th century since they still needed to mine it.

It's possible that anti-matter reactors also require imported goods to manufacture on most planets.

Hence why everything looks like Pandora with less hockey masks.

Replicators are also like Tranpsorters in that they don't get used 99% of the ways they could be because, "The technology mumble mumble mumble has the something something."

 

[Fateor]

They clearly can't replicate dilithium in the 34th century since they still needed to mine it.

It's possible that anti-matter reactors also require imported goods to manufacture on most planets.

Hence why everything looks like Pandora with less hockey masks.

Replicators are also like Tranpsorters in that they don't get used 99% of the ways they could be because, "The technology mumble mumble mumble has the something something."

Replicators can run just fine on fusion power, that's why portable replicators are even a thing.

 

[eschaton]

I find it kinda horrifying that so many writers and producers salivate over the supposed high-quality writing in season 3 when it's as goddamn sloppy as we got. Proves that these so-called "pros" are just as susceptible to nostalgia goggles as everyone else, if not more so. The degree to which Inglorious Treksperts took that adulation of the season at times on the podcast was downright embarrassing.

I find the scripting on PIC Season 3 to be pretty atrocious, in most places, though the story structure and the pacing was pretty tight. It's really a shame, because I think with a bit more polish, the general ideas could've been brought to much, much better execution.

Just started a rewatch of The Expanse last night, and (much as when Discovery first came out), I'm just at a loss as to why Trek in general didn't learn lessons from the writing of that show. Of course, they had the benefit of cribbing from an existing series of books, but still.

 

[fireproof78]

I find the scripting on PIC Season 3 to be pretty atrocious, in most places, though the story structure and the pacing was pretty tight. It's really a shame, because I think with a bit more polish, the general ideas could've been brought to much, much better execution.

Just started a rewatch of The Expanse last night, and (much as when Discovery first came out), I'm just at a loss as to why Trek in general didn't learn lessons from the writing of that show. Of course, they had the benefit of cribbing from an existing series of books, but still.

Because Trek is a constant tug of war over world building, and references and pleasing multiple audiences. The things they prioritize are an amalgamation and efforts while trying to tell the story on time and under budget. If it was easy they would call it football.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I am going over the screencaps at Cygnus X-1 and I am aghast at what has happened to San Francisco. What did they do to San Francisco? It's unrecognizable.

My main issue is they didn't bother replacing the Golden Gate Bridge with a Updated Modern Bridge design.

They can keep the Bridge Colors, but a newer Bridge Design would be WAY more efficient & Safer.

I know the Golden Gate Bridge is Iconic, but sometimes you need to update it with more effective Bridge design of a more modern era.

And the newest / best design so far are "Cable Stayed Bridges".

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[Set Harth]

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[fireproof78]

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It's a quote from a Dwayne Johnson film.

 

[Set Harth]

oh

 

[JirinPanthosa]

lol is it because starfleet academy is like a teen drama show

If Starfleet Academy is a teen drama show, Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a teen drama show. Technically true but classifying it that way misses the point.

 

[I am not Spock]

If Starfleet Academy is a teen drama show, Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a teen drama show. Technically true but classifying it that way misses the point.

Buffy is one of my favourite shows other than Trek, so i can only hope SFA gets to that level. (It's pretty good so far)

 

[Tuskin38]

SFA is more of a Young Adult drama, than teen.

 

[I am not Spock]

the young actors are in their 20s. I'm not sure why some haters are calling them teens.

I was a teen once, and it doesn't seem that long ago. Lol. I remember what it was like . What do some of these haters have against young people?

 

[TRON JA307020]

Unfortunately felt this was a step down after the comparatively strong first episode. A lot of the hallmarks of this era of Star Trek returned full-force - dialogue relying heavily on pithy phrases about togetherness/identity/etc that form the bulk of conversation rather than being deployed appropriately, all characters getting flattened into the same narrative voice and sounding identical at times, and a meandering plot that just spins wheels.

It reminded me of "The Dauphin", and when you watch the two episodes side by side the contrast is pretty stark in how the ability (or perhaps desire) of writers to tell a three-act story has vanished over the last couple decades. Even if you think Dauphin is crap, it moves at a quick pace and the tension and revelations rise steadily, whereas this felt like Caleb and the Betazoid character just sort of aimlessly milling around, with the breakdown of negotiations, tension between the two characters, and subsequent resolution happening very abruptly at the end.

As always though, some positives: Lura is still a fun character (albeit a little bit tonally blunt at the minute), the EMH's opera stuff was fun, and a lot of the jokes still land. I've forgotten most of Discovery but it was good to see Reno again. Some of Caleb's dialogue in this one was a bit cringeworthy, but the actor is superb at breezing through it and presenting it with charisma. Still very interested to see what's next, but not quite as enthusiastic as I was after the premiere. 5/10

Yeah. I mentioned the dauphin earlier as well. While not a real great episode it was far better than this one on my opinion. Also those cgi dolphins looked terrible. Lol

 

[fireproof78]

the young actors are in their 20s. I'm not sure why some haters are calling them teens.

I was a teen once, and it doesn't seem that long ago. Lol. I remember what it was like . What do some of these haters have against young people?

They are not adults. Period. The vast majority of opinions seem to center around a Picard-esque contempt for young people.

 

[Fateor]

They are not adults. Period. The vast majority of opinions seem to center around a Picard-esque contempt for young people.

20 year olds are adults in pretty much every country on Earth.