Spoilers Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread
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Synder and Gun?
Only problem with this concept is they need a monkey also involved in helping them solve crimes.
I doubt it’s some sort of concerted effort. I agree that the pre-release backlash feels noticeably more vicious this time around, but I think it’s more or less the usual dynamic of loud negative voices drowning out the more reasonable people willing to wait before they form their opinion. And I suspect it’s actually an accumulation of several factors why Starfleet Academy specifically is facing such negative reactions:
- I think there’s a sort of “accumulated frustration” going on, where the backlash is intensified by the fact that Starfleet Academy is the latest in a line of Trek productions many people have felt alienated by. It’s not only “the new Star Trek show”, it’s “yet another one of those Star Trek shows.” Repeated negative experiences with recent Trek shows have eroded trust, causing many fans to respond to any new announcements with rejection and skepticism instead of open-mindedness and curiosity.
- More than ever before many people feel this show is not aimed at them. We had Trek shows aimed at kids before, but this is the first show that feels to many like it’s not only aimed at a young adult audience, but also one that’s predominantly female. Many see elements like the campus setting, emotional drama, romance and interpersonal conflict as inherently “female coded”. And even though in reality the nerd viewership is much more diverse, of course, nerd culture in online spaces is still very much dominated by young and middle-aged males. This results in a strong hostile response.
- Along those same lines, I think there’s a sort of “emotional ownership” going on with Star Trek, which might differentiate it from other IPs. Many fans don’t just “like” Star Trek, it’s a way of life. It shaped their worldview and moral compass, which leads to protective behavior and strong disappointment rather than simple dislike. This might explain why the language people use to criticize the show before it’s even out feels very personal, betrayed and vicious.
- Culture war nonsense: It’s just the way online discourse has become; discussion around modern media is always highly polarized, but with Star Trek it’s often very pronounced. IMHO, Trek has always been “socially progressive”, but today’s culture war lens treats any new show as a battlefield. Every casting choice, every character’s sexuality, every trailer — it’s all seen through that lens. This leads to reactive hostility based on imagined content and not what the show is actually about.
- And finally, most social media platforms amplify outrage by rewarding emotionally charged negativity, often making the harshest reactions far more visible. Rage and doomposting get engagement. It sucks, but that’s where we are right now.
If you think that's bad, don't look at the replies to Robert Picardo on X. The Trek fanbase is so toxic it's frightening.
Yup, it’s pretty disgusting. And toxic is absolutely the right word for it. The amount of people being triggered by women who are not traditionally slim under this tweet is mind-blowing, if not entirely surprising. It’s like these people see themselves as righteous fighters in a culture war, holding a legacy actor personally responsible for a new Trek show not being the way they would want it to be. You just can shake your head at the ridiculousness of it all.
Not trying to defend the burn here too much - it's stupid - but this one makes actually some sense:
Assuming warp is the primary FTL source, it means that probably every single FTL research facility also had a warp core. Meaning between the ships & universities pretty much every single FTL engineer & researcher blew up together with their equipment. Sand the few that didn't, because they were at the beach on vacation, now suddenly were completely cut-off from all their remaining colleagues, equipment & libraries. And wouldn't even know who else still lives. So you'd have to train a completely new generation without any teachers. That shit is hard, and they somehow managed to a degree.
Now why sub-space communication went also dark, and people couldn't call other planets anymore?
Now for that I have no explanation. Because after all it was not a thought out idea in the first place.
It happens somewhat naturally: The really optimistic and excited fans have been talking about this show for a longer time already, like here for example.
As one of the more grumpy assholes, who never really got warm with DIS & PIC, but still going to check SFA out for franchise loyalty and to give it a chance, I'm only checking in just now, when the show is getting on my radar due to the release and it's PR push, after a longer time of absence.
And THEN all of that shit gets amplified by MAGA assholes, culture warriors, algorithms monetising rage and division, and all that other crap that plagues our current civilization.
Only if one of them was a robot from outer space.
I learned a sadly useful word: "overhated."
The joke is their names are Snyder and Gunn, not Synder and Gun.
i've noticed a hell of a lot of negativity towards SFA on Facebook. Makes it hard to have a real conversation about the show. I'm thankful for this place where we can talk about it in a more civil manner, at least somewhat!
Some parts of this fanbase are just toxic . Which is a shame, IDIC and all that
Some parts of this fanbase are just toxic . Which is a shame, IDIC and all that
Because absolutely nobody collects items from Ancient Rome, or Greece, or the Norman Conquest. This is just the equivalent.
I think the fact that the reviews so far have been mostly positive has riled the toxic fandom up. They were expecting reviewers to join them in declaring it the worst Trek ever made, and the fact that this hasn’t happened has whipped them into a frenzy where they feel the need to whine even louder.
Thats a fair point, though I doubt ground facilities would need them unless they needed weapons. i'm not sure if the fusion reactors would be enough for ground shields.
Though that does beg the question. In Picard season 3 we see earth's planetary shield in that battle. If they used dylithium to generate the shield, I would assume that it would be the same 600 years later. I would imagine that would blow a large size chunk out of the earth
Either way my argument is not really between the burn and when disco arrives. It all the years upto the burn.
War is hell.
Two grossly overused phrases are ''long-suffering'' and ''Uber-{anything}''
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