Spoilers Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread

[StarTrek1701]

I am waiting for the first episode but I just realized something, all the 'aliens' we have seen till now in the trailers seem to be classic aliens or variants of such.
Will we get some new aliens?

 

[Jayson1]

I sort of like being reminded from time to time why I don't watch YouTube content makers like Mr. Plinkett.

Most Youtube content is crap but Red Letter Media is one of the exceptions. I love that channel. They have become jaded old men but for them it just adds to their charm. Except for Jay. His eternal beauty is never changing unlike the many different haircuts he has gone through.

One of the great things about them is they really don't give a shit about chasing the algorithms. They also love both Pluribus and Tim Robinson's "The Chair Company" and that is examples of why people need to listen to them. One thing for sure is they are not Hack Frauds.

 

[Lord Garth]

Will we get some new aliens?

Ideally. Only 25% should be from the Alpha Quadrant. But we'll see.

 

[ToddCam]

I am waiting for the first episode but I just realized something, all the 'aliens' we have seen till now in the trailers seem to be classic aliens or variants of such.
Will we get some new aliens?

Aren't at least 2 cadets new aliens?

 

[eschaton]

Aren't at least 2 cadets new aliens?

I think 4? One is a Klingon, one is an alien hologram, one looks human except for eyebrows, and one is from one of those TOS-style races indistinguishable from humans.

Caleb is the only human.

 

[Michael]

Well, I’ve just been wasting almost an hour of my life listening to two German reviewers blabbering about their opinions about the first six episodes they got to preview. The tl;dr of it is that they hate it. It’s too woke, too much like Discovery, it’s not Real Trek™, not utopian enough like TNG, too much coming of age and teen angst. They bemoan the motivations for the individual cadets to join Starfleet, which range from revenge to “mommy/daddy issues”. The only positive they mention is that it looks really good and modern and that the music is okay.

A couple of mild spoilers regarding the first six episodes:

Spoiler: First six episodes of SFA

• The Doctor’s role is apparently not central in the first six episodes. They mention that he merely “recycles his character’s past without any substance“ and seems to realize “his story is all told out”.
• Apparently the War College is a separate entity next to the Academy that shares the same campus. The cadets of both War College and Academy are shown to be in (friendly?) competition with each other.
• Chancellor/Captain Ake listens to vinyl records. The cadets wonder what Baseball is.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Spoiler: First six episodes of SFA

The cadets wonder what Baseball is.

Sisko about to come tearing out of the wormhole to teach the kids a thing or two

 

[F. King Daniel]

Wow, positive reviews from the hand-picked few carefully selected to see the show prior to release.

This isn't a Starfleet Academy knock, it's the about the utterly farcical nature of the industry.

 

[Michael]

Wow, positive reviews from the hand-picked few carefully selected to see the show prior to release.

This isn't a Starfleet Academy knock, it's the about the utterly farcical nature of the industry.

Huh? Not sure if that’s directed at what I posted earlier, but these “hand-picked reviewers” had only negative things to say about the show.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Thank you for taking one for the team, Michael. My only regret is that you gave their channel engagement.

It’s too woke, too much like Discovery, it’s not Real Trek™, not utopian enough like TNG,

All of these things are positive points to me. Besides, anyone who complains about Star Trek being "woke" wouldn't know the first thing about "real Trek". All I have to say about that is welcome to September 8th, 1966.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Huh? Not sure if that’s directed at what I posted earlier, but these “hand-picked reviewers” had only negative things to say about the show.

No sorry, I hadn't read the thread recently before posting and should have. I saw several gushing reviews and quotes on social media this morning.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Jessie Gender's review was glowing and she's hardly a "yes woman" or "a paid studio plant". If she dislikes a Star Trek show she will let you know.

 

[Michael]

My only regret is that you gave their channel engagement.

Yeah, that’s not ideal. What got me to listen to this is a combination of both genuine curiosity about the show (I don’t mind being spoiled on minor things and I just know I will make up my own mind when I watch it anyway) and also the urge to wanting to be prepared for the kind of arguments we are going to be bombarded with in the coming weeks. So far nothing we haven’t all heard a million times before.

All of these things are positive points to me. Besides, anyone who complains about Star Trek being "woke" wouldn't know the first thing about "real Trek". All I have to say about that is welcome to September 8th, 1966.

Well, personally I couldn’t care less about it being “real Trek” or not. And everything these kind of people understand as “woke” is stuff that I genuinely consider good. Nor do I consider it not being “utopian” enough of a deal-breaker (although I wouldn’t mind if it was).

That said, depending on what exactly it means it being “too much like Discovery” does trouble me. Liked and loved a lot of things about that show, but ultimately I thought the writing was often really bad, with clunky dialog and odd plotting. If some of the worst trappings of Discovery get transported over to Starfleet Academy, I’m not sure how happy that will make me as a viewer. I’m still cautiously optimistic, though, and hope to be surprised.

Looking forward to Jessie’s review later tonight. EDIT: Oh, that’s already out? Will give it a watch. EDIT 2: No, it’s not out yet.

 

[Set Harth]

Besides, anyone who complains about Star Trek being "woke" wouldn't know the first thing about "real Trek". All I have to say about that is welcome to September 8th, 1966.

Sure, if we're rewriting history such that woke has been around since ~10,000 BC, then Star Trek, like everything else, has always been woke, just as we have always been at war with Eastasia.

 

[Turtletrekker]

"Too much like Discovery" would not be a bad thing to me. That said, from what little I've seen, other than the setting and a couple of the actors, I've seen nothing that evokes Discovery. This will not be a Michelle Paradise production.

 

[Campe]

As always, it’s nice to see opinions out there both positive and negative. But someone saying it’s “too Discovery” or “too woke” won’t make my mind up for me. Opinions are like assholes and about 99% of those out there I don’t care about.

One week away.

 

[The Wormhole]

Sure, if we're rewriting history such that woke has been around since ~10,000 BC, then Star Trek, like everything else, has always been woke, just as we have always been at war with Eastasia.

The term "woke" in the context it's currently used in may only be a relatively recent development, but that doesn't change the fact that Star Trek has been woke since 1966.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Sure, if we're rewriting history such that woke has been around since ~10,000 BC, then Star Trek, like everything else, has always been woke, just as we have always been at war with Eastasia.

Sure, Jan.

 

[Michael]

Sure, if we're rewriting history such that woke has been around since ~10,000 BC, then Star Trek, like everything else, has always been woke, just as we have always been at war with Eastasia.

Huh? That’s like saying water and air didn’t exist before the words “water” and “air” were first uttered. The concept of what “woke” means has existed for a long time. Being aware of and attentive to social injustices, progressive or socially conscious are not concepts that were invented with the word “woke”.

 

[eschaton]

Sure, if we're rewriting history such that woke has been around since ~10,000 BC, then Star Trek, like everything else, has always been woke, just as we have always been at war with Eastasia.

TOS included a black woman and an Asian man on the bridge in the mid 1960s. TNG explicitly included Geordi so disabled fans would feel included.

By the standards that infuriate chuds, it has always been woke.