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[AtheistAntony]

Mage, there's so many strawmen in that response I won't even dignify this trash with a proper answer.

If you wish to debate what people say, fine. Don't make up things they didn't say then try to debate them on something that never happened.

Even the irony of you in a Star Trek forum, talking about Star Trek, complaining about it demonstrating a healthy future and being "done with it" if it it does what it's always done is baffling.

 

[Michael]

@Mage, personally I happen to agree with most of what you‘re saying, but still I meant what I said earlier: This thread is not the place for that discussion. Don‘t do it again.

@AtheistAntony, I realize that you‘re reacting to how people are responding to you. But still, I clearly asked for this whole discussion to cease in this thread. Let this be the last time I ask for this in kind.

 

[Mage]

@Mage, personally I happen to agree with most of what you‘re saying, but still I meant what I said earlier: This thread is not the place for that discussion. Don‘t do it again.

@AtheistAntony, I realize that you‘re reacting to how people are responding to you. But still, I clearly asked for this whole discussion to cease in this thread. Let this be the last time I ask for this in kind.

I am so sorry, I must have missed that when I responded. I apologize.

 

[AtheistAntony]

@Mage, personally I happen to agree with most of what you‘re saying, but still I meant what I said earlier: This thread is not the place for that discussion. Don‘t do it again.

@AtheistAntony, I realize that you‘re reacting to how people are responding to you. But still, I clearly asked for this whole discussion to cease in this thread. Let this be the last time I ask for this in kind.

Sorry I didn't realise you were saying health wasn't even a topic for discussion. I will stop now.

Since your post Mage like a child has now gone and added laugh emojis to each of my posts. It's clear I was being trolled and fell for it. Sorry.

 

[Elaise]

I seem to have to exlain this once a week.....

That is a fringe group, a small part of a large fandom. However, they shout. A lot. Online. And that gives them the impression they are the majority. They are, in fact, not. Like with many extremist groups across the globe, people think that the once that shout the most in any form of media are the representatives of the whole.
This might shock you, but most Star Trek fans simply watch the shows and movies..... and that's it. They don't go online, they don't debate it on forums or social media. They just enjoy it.
The people on this forum are already a fringe group. Than there is the smaller group within that group, that think ALL fans WANT a show with the Enterprise-G and Captain Seven. They really don't.
I can promise you now, if you start a topic in the General Star Trek Discussion part of this forum, so NOT the Picard section and add a poll if people want a Legacy show with Captain Seven, most people will say no.

I agree and disagree with this. Fringe groups don’t determine whether a show succeeds or fails — that’s on the show itself. We saw this with the Barbie movie: the online rage machine tried to tank it, but it still became one of the most successful films of the year. On the flip side, there’s The Acolyte, which crashed hard. Despite the internet’s best efforts, it really doesn’t have much influence on large media in the long run.


And yes, this place is its own fringe group. Outside of here, Reddit, and Facebook, I haven’t found many spaces that actually like Discovery. But fans do seem to enjoy SNW (aside from Season 3) and they love Lower Decks. This is also the only place I’ve seen such vitriol for Picard Season 3. Most people agree it leans heavily on nostalgia, but aside from the Borg ending, it’s generally well-liked.


As for a Captain Seven show, I don’t agree that it would fail — I think it could actually have the potential to do really well.

Legacy hardly has a large appeal in the fandom. Hell, the biggest complaint (not from me btw) about season 3 of Picard was the amount of fanwank, and one of the biggest of those was Seven as captain of the Enterprise. When people wrote fanfic about that it was laughed at.
Legacy only has appeal to those fans who wish for Star Trek to be exactly what it was during the Berman era and haven't moved on with the current times.

Picard Season 3 did very well — better than Discovery Season 5 and SNW Season 3. So the legacy content isn’t just some niche fringe thing; mainstream audiences absolutely show up for it. That’s why they brought Seven back for Picard, recast Spock and the Doctor for Strange New Worlds, and keep pulling in TOS characters. They’ve even got rumors of McCoy and Sulu appearing in SNW Season 4.


Legacy is baked into every part of NuTrek, so saying a legacy-focused show is some kind of fringe idea that would automatically fail just seems silly to me.

 

[Christmas Canon Spock]

Legacy is baked into every part of NuTrek, so saying a legacy-focused show is some kind of fringe idea that would automatically fail just seems silly to me.

It isn't just Seven as captain that will fail but the initial premise Matalas said it would be based on of going around and revisiting major players from the 24th century.

Regardless of how one feels about legacy items being in each show, they've also added new elements or expanded upon previous elements. The "Where Are They Now?" Reunion tour doesn't appeal like that.

Picard Season 3 did very well — better than Discovery Season 5 and SNW Season 3.

Was that due to Seven as captain?

 

[Elaise]

It isn't just Seven as captain that will fail but the initial premise Matalas said it would be based on of going around and revisiting major players from the 24th century.

Regardless of how one feels about legacy items being in each show, they've also added new elements or expanded upon previous elements. The "Where Are They Now?" Reunion tour doesn't appeal like that.




Was that due to Seven as captain?

My bad, I did not know the details behind "legacy" I doubt that would be able to do well, atleast it would fall apart like Picard S3 did.

It was probably due to all the characters including 7.

 

[Firebird]

Picard Season 3 did very well — better than Discovery Season 5 and SNW Season 3. So the legacy content isn’t just some niche fringe thing; mainstream audiences absolutely show up for it. That’s why they brought Seven back for Picard, recast Spock and the Doctor for Strange New Worlds, and keep pulling in TOS characters. They’ve even got rumors of McCoy and Sulu appearing in SNW Season 4.

Spock was brought in by Discovery's second season, Strange New Worlds had nothing to do with it.

Bones and Sulu appearing aren't rumors - they've been cast and officially announced just a few days ago. And they're only going to be in the series finale, not season 4.

STAR TREK: STRANGE NEW WORLDS Series Finale Casts Thomas Jane as McCoy, Kai Murakami as Sulu

We’re still over a year away from the finale of STAR TREK: STRANGE NEW WORLDS, but today we’ve learned who will portray McCoy and Sulu in the show’s closing episode

blog.trekcore.com

 

[Elaise]

Spock was brought in by Discovery's second season, Strange New Worlds had nothing to do with it.

Bones and Sulu appearing aren't rumors - they've been cast and officially announced just a few days ago. And they're only going to be in the series finale, not season 4.

STAR TREK: STRANGE NEW WORLDS Series Finale Casts Thomas Jane as McCoy, Kai Murakami as Sulu

We’re still over a year away from the finale of STAR TREK: STRANGE NEW WORLDS, but today we’ve learned who will portray McCoy and Sulu in the show’s closing episode

blog.trekcore.com

I meant to mention Spock just for Disco with no SNW attachment. I'll give disco one thing, thet got out with the least amount of tag backs to older trek.

I heard about it but didn't know it was a thing. They sure have a bloated cast for 6 episodes for the final season of SNW.

 

[Santa Kang]

I meant to mention Spock just for Disco with no SNW attachment. I'll give disco one thing, thet got out with the least amount of tag backs to older trek.

I heard about it but didn't know it was a thing. They sure have a bloated cast for 6 episodes for the final season of SNW.

I think McCoy and Sulu are only in the last episode. Basically guest stars.

 

[SantaEddie74]

As they should be. SNW should be primarily about Pike for as long as possible.

 

[Santa Kang]

As they should be. SNW should be primarily about Pike for as long as possible.

And his Amazing Friends

 

[Mage]

I think McCoy and Sulu are only in the last episode. Basically guest stars.

Unless they really are working on that Year One show. I actually wouldn't be surprised if both actors signed a contract that IF that show is going to happen they are already booked/cast/whatever the word is for that show.
You know, like with the MCU? They sign a multi picture deal just in case they want characters to appear again.

 

[Elaise]

Speaking on the Academy clip (I think it's probably not good for the show that people are so uninterested that the discussion has become complaining about other things instead) I cant really have a take on the clip because I feel like the show is decidedly not about this. The promo and posters is all about the cadets and yet this clip is about a Starfleet ship being attacked with who are presumably the main characters peripheral to it. Is this going to be all of the show? Or even half of it? I don't know. But it was fine and Im warming on the look of the ship.

I think SNW is middling at best and season 3 mostly sucked (like surprisingly so) but I think that's becoming a well tread conversation here. I wont go as far as to call it fan wank but I think the show doesnt really feel like it has a specific voice yet, for me, because it feels like so much is meant to follow up or set up rather than exist in the now. Other than the casual bridge crew and character interactions which does feel uniquely SNW (and I dont think that's a bad thing). That being said I will take any chance to complain about Picard Season 3.


I think a big subset of the most die hard Legacy fans are generally not Lower Decks fans, they say stuff like they hope Matalas can come on and make everything but Picard season 3 non canon. Something I used to pay attention to when everything wasnt cancelled was what people excitedly talked about wanting to see in an upcoming season of (nu)Trek. Ultimately, 90% of the speculation or discussion of the show from my perspective is who could appear on set that week to audience applause and what classic loose end they could tie up from the Berman era.

I personally would love a show set in the 25th century. Keep Captain Seven, cut changing the name of the ship to Enterprise, get Jack Crusher off that damn bridge, and absolutely dont call the show Legacy Characters Meet Up Hour.

Speculation on my part, but I think the partial reason for the clip is the negative reaction to the trailer/s so far. Though time will tell, will be interesting to see how the Nielson ratings track. If I were to guess it will have a strong openeing probably #7 and by episode 3 it will have fall of the chart.

If I were to decribe SNW its fun with some memorible episodes and moments. Like that wedding Ep from season 3, that was pretty damn fun. Though on the otherside, they have yet to have a episode that ranks as high as some of Voyager's best. Funny enough those voyager episodes are all with either the doctor or 7, 2 characters that have been cast in nu trek.

 

[ToddCam]

It isn't just Seven as captain that will fail but the initial premise Matalas said it would be based on of going around and revisiting major players from the 24th century.

Regardless of how one feels about legacy items being in each show, they've also added new elements or expanded upon previous elements. The "Where Are They Now?" Reunion tour doesn't appeal like that.

Eh, to an extent that idea does appeal to me. I do wonder of the further adventures of old characters. I would want it to be a more rounded show of course, but I would also assume that Matalas's statement didn't imply it would be to the exclusion of anything else, like a strong regular cast with their own ongoing story arcs.

 

[I am not Spock]

I agree and disagree with this. Fringe groups don’t determine whether a show succeeds or fails — that’s on the show itself. We saw this with the Barbie movie: the online rage machine tried to tank it, but it still became one of the most successful films of the year. On the flip side, there’s The Acolyte, which crashed hard. Despite the internet’s best efforts, it really doesn’t have much influence on large media in the long run.


And yes, this place is its own fringe group. Outside of here, Reddit, and Facebook, I haven’t found many spaces that actually like Discovery. But fans do seem to enjoy SNW (aside from Season 3) and they love Lower Decks. This is also the only place I’ve seen such vitriol for Picard Season 3. Most people agree it leans heavily on nostalgia, but aside from the Borg ending, it’s generally well-liked.


As for a Captain Seven show, I don’t agree that it would fail — I think it could actually have the potential to do really well.


Picard Season 3 did very well — better than Discovery Season 5 and SNW Season 3. So the legacy content isn’t just some niche fringe thing; mainstream audiences absolutely show up for it. That’s why they brought Seven back for Picard, recast Spock and the Doctor for Strange New Worlds, and keep pulling in TOS characters. They’ve even got rumors of McCoy and Sulu appearing in SNW Season 4.


Legacy is baked into every part of NuTrek, so saying a legacy-focused show is some kind of fringe idea that would automatically fail just seems silly to me.

people want legacy characters, fine. But it's usually TOS and TNG nostalgia (and a bit of Voyager love too ). I think DS9 and ENT need more love in the Kurtzman era. We've only had Nana Visitor, Armin Shimerman, and Jolene Blalock show up representing those.

 

[SantaEddie74]

Archer and the NX-01 get mentioned or even shown numerous times in the Kelvin Timeline movies and the Kurtzman Era. We even see the ship itself at the Fleet Museum, complete with Doug Drexler's proposed Season 5 refit.

 

[Christmas Canon Spock]

people want legacy characters, fine. But it's usually TOS and TNG nostalgia (and a bit of Voyager love too ). I think DS9 and ENT need more love in the Kurtzman era. We've only had Nana Visitor, Armin Shimerman, and Jolene Blalock show up representing those.

And Rom/Max Grodénchik, and Leeta and Paris.

 

[Set Harth]

Archer and the NX-01 get mentioned or even shown numerous times in the Kelvin Timeline movies and the Kurtzman Era.

The Enterprise connections in the Kelvin films that I know of are the mention of Archer(&dog) in ST09, the NX-01 model in STID, and Edison being a former M.A.C.O. who fought the Romulans and the Xindi.

 

[SantaEddie74]

Those are the three. ENT got a lot of attention in those films, mostly because it was the only series part of the histories of both that timeline and the Prime one.