Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread

[Elaise]

Ah the Star Trek fanbase, where else can so many disparate truths exist

At the end of the day all that really matters is the views ( I think)

 

[Firebird]

here is what i think the new star trek intro would go

space the first frontier these are the new students of the starfleet academy to seek out training from lives to civilazations and boldy go where no species has gone before

 

[Set Harth]

I recently watched close to 20 episodes of Voyager for a project that I'm working on, and then I watched the Section 31 movie afterwards as a palate cleanser.

My condolences.

 

[Christmas Canon Spock]

Ah the Star Trek fanbase, where else can so many disparate truths exist

 

[Fateor]

Because ill give it a chance. You never know. But im really picky especially when it comes to how the tech is portrayed. From what im seeing things havent changed a whole lot in 900 years. They still havent replaced warp engines and still using starship to traverse the galaxy. You would think they would have something new after 9 centuries. They never even got a spore drive type tech or at least something that can move the ship long distances in seconds instead of days.

They did! The Discovery writers just forgot those things.

Or possibly those technologies were black boxed by whatever secretive group in the White Room is controlling the Federation from the shadows.

 

[Christmas Canon Spock]

They did! The Discovery writers just forgot those things.

Or possibly those technologies were black boxed by whatever secretive group in the White Room is controlling the Federation from the shadows.

Forgetting about a technology? Sounds like Star Trek to me!

 

[Jason X-Mas]

Exactly. But its still a huge advance in technology. Even far beyond what they had in tng. They should not have written it as a 23rd century tech. They could easily made discovery a normal starship with just a warp drive, have them leap into the 32nd century abd discover that warp drive no longer existed and the spore drive was the new way that stsrfleet powered their stsrships. Instead it was written as the discovery with a spore drive travels into the 32nd century and for some reason the spore drive is far advanced to stsrfleets engines. 32nd century starships still can't transport instantaneously to a location they still need to travel via warp speed. Burnham even shows iff with the spore drive with her attitude of "you think our ship is primitiv? Watch this". The thing is shes right. They have nothing in the 32nd century earth ships to rival her spore drive.

Its just really bad writing.

Them dropping the spore drive stuff I don't think is a big deal. Kind of like how Transwarp space travel I guess died due to Scotty fiddling with it on the Excelsior in The Search for Spock."

 

[TRON JA307020]

They did! The Discovery writers just forgot those things.

Or possibly those technologies were black boxed by whatever secretive group in the White Room is controlling the Federation from the shadows.

I can't believe they "black boxed" tech for 10 centuries. Voyager met one species that had a transporter that could move people or objects thousands of light years. Even roddenberry spoke of star trek tech advancing beyond warp drive. Even the personal transporters the writers dialed back. First they were actual transporters that were self contained. The writers felt it made things to easy so they made it where the badge had to be linked to the ship transporter to work. Data came up with it 1000 years before. If they felt things woukd get too easy they shouldn't gave moved things 1000 years ahead.

 

[Jason X-Mas]

At the end of the day all that really matters is the views ( I think)

I thought the only thing that matters was love?

 

[Christmas Canon Spock]

I can't believe they "black boxed" tech for 10 centuries. Voyager met one species that had a transporter that could move people or objects thousands of light years. Even roddenberry spoke of star trek tech advancing beyond warp drive. Even the personal transporters the writers dialed back. First they were actual transporters that were self contained. The writers felt it made things to easy so they made it where the badge had to be linked to the ship transporter to work. Data came up with it 1000 years before. If they felt things woukd get too easy they shouldn't gave moved things 1000 years ahead.

That's literally Star Trek. Warp 13? Forgotten. Transwarp? Forgotten? Time travel is easy? Eh, mixed remembrances. Transporter to cure aging? Passe'. Genesis device? Nah. Androids? Nope, Data's really the only one.

Star Trek has it's own Raiders of the Lost Ark warehouse being overseen by top men. When Old Trek does it it's "timely." When new Trek forgets something its "bad writing."

 

[Fateor]

Warp 13?

Involved a rejiggering of the warp scale.

Transwarp?

Failed.

Time travel is easy?

Is actively being covered up by Daniel's conspiracy.

Transporter to cure aging?

Was never really a thing.

Genesis device?

Ended up being mass produced and used for Terraforming according to Lower Decks.

Androids? Nope, Data's really the only one.

Also ended up being mass produced.

 

[Christmas Canon Spock]

Involved a rejiggering of the warp scale.

On screen evidence?

Failed.

Evidence?

Is actively being covered up by Daniel's conspiracy.

Oh, ok. Missed the memo, I guess...

Was never really a thing.

So Pulaski died?

Ended up being mass produced and used for Terraforming according to Lower Decks.

Well, finally, one that actually has a happy ending for Trek tech.

Also ended up being mass produced.

Data was treated as supremely unique, as if the Federation had never seen an android before.

 

[Sketcher]

Didn't the Enterprise go both outside and to the center of the galaxy like...really, really fast? Where'd that tech go?

At least Kurtzman, being the skilled writer he is, explained his tech discrepancies.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Them dropping the spore drive stuff I don't think is a big deal. Kind of like how Transwarp space travel I guess died due to Scotty fiddling with it on the Excelsior in The Search for Spock."

One could argue the change in warp scale from TOS to TNG was due to the Excelsior. What was considered transwarp by TOS standards became regular warp for the TNG era.

 

[Fateor]

On screen evidence?

Voyager where they stated that going warp 10 is infinite velocity.

Evidence?

There was a commemorative plaque about it in Picard.

So Pulaski died?

No, that wasn't actual aging.

Data was treated as supremely unique, as if the Federation had never seen an android before.

And he was, then the Federation mass produced them.

 

[TRON JA307020]

That's literally Star Trek. Warp 13? Forgotten. Transwarp? Forgotten? Time travel is easy? Eh, mixed remembrances. Transporter to cure aging? Passe'. Genesis device? Nah. Androids? Nope, Data's really the only one.

Star Trek has it's own Raiders of the Lost Ark warehouse being overseen by top men. When Old Trek does it it's "timely." When new Trek forgets something its "bad writing."

We are talking a thousand years. Not 20, 50 or 100. 1000 years.

 

[Jason X-Mas]

One could argue the change in warp scale from TOS to TNG was due to the Excelsior. What was considered transwarp by TOS standards became regular warp for the TNG era.

That would make sense.

 

[Elaise]

Didn't the Enterprise go both outside and to the center of the galaxy like...really, really fast? Where'd that tech go?

At least Kurtzman, being the skilled writer he is, explained his tech discrepancies.

Star trek 5?

One could argue the change in warp scale from TOS to TNG was due to the Excelsior. What was considered transwarp by TOS standards became regular warp for the TNG era.

I thought 90s trek was slower than TOS, measured by distance traveled. I have heard that argued a few times.

 

[Set Harth]

Didn't the Enterprise go both outside and to the center of the galaxy like...really, really fast? Where'd that tech go?

Voyager's fault

 

[Christmas Canon Spock]

Didn't the Enterprise go both outside and to the center of the galaxy like...really, really fast? Where'd that tech go?

At least Kurtzman, being the skilled writer he is, explained his tech discrepancies.

Twice:
aptain's log, stardate 1254.4. For years scientists have theorised that if our galaxy was created from a great explosion, then the centre of the galaxy might still be creating new matter. The Enterprise is now on a science mission to investigate.
[Bridge]

(The Enterprise is almost obscured by an orange mist)
KIRK: It's an awesome thought that we may actually witness matter being created.
SPOCK: If we do, Captain, we may also encounter forces and phenomena beyond our understanding.
SULU: Galaxy centre, Captain.
KIRK: Lieutenant Uhura, sound Yellow Alert.
UHURA: Aye, sir. Yellow Alert. All stations report Yellow Alert readiness, sir. Captain!
(There's a firework display going on around them, and on the viewscreen)
KIRK: The creation point.
SPOCK: An extraordinary phenomenon, Captain.
(Magicks of Megas-Tu)

SYBOK (on viewscreen): ...at the center of the Galaxy.
KIRK: The center of the Galaxy?
SPOCK: Where Sha Ka Ree is fabled to exist.
KIRK: But the center of the Galaxy can't be reached. No ship has ever gone into the Great Barrier. No probe has ever returned.
(The Final Frontier)

Whoops. Should always document your work.

Voyager where they stated that going warp 10 is infinite velocity.

Which is inconsistent with TNG and TOS.

There was a commemorative plaque about it in Picard.

So none that is referenced.

No, that wasn't actual aging.

How so? It was a disease? Aging is also a progress degradation of genetic changes, as referenced in the episode. So why couldn't it be used again?

And he was, then the Federation mass produced them.

But he wasn't. The Old Ones on Exo III, the androids on Mudd's planet, various automatons on the Shore Leave planet, Flint's work, Sargon's work, etc. Yet, TNG talks as though androids are a new thing.