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Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread

So far, the modern era of Star Trek has had 216 entries in 8 years with a minimum of 36 more to come. That is success by any reasonable standard. Especially for a cable franchise.

FWIW:
Series: IMDb rate, Rotten Tomatos
DISCO: 7.0, 84%
PIC: 7.5, 89%
LD: 7.8, 93%
PRO: 7.6, 97%
SNW: 8.2, 94%

Looks pretty successful to me. Abd, apparently to lots of other people.
 
FWIW:
Series: IMDb rate, Rotten Tomatos
DISCO: 7.0, 84%
PIC: 7.5, 89%
LD: 7.8, 93%
PRO: 7.6, 97%
SNW: 8.2, 94%

Looks pretty successful to me. Abd, apparently to lots of other people.
IMDB by sample size...

144k DISCO: 7.0
100k PIC: 7.5
073k SNW: 8.2
030K LD: 7.8
008K PRO: 7.6

We'd need to see sample size vs. time considering Discovery & Picard were very different animals from year to year, and it looks like no one who hated Star Trek Animation hate watched Lower Decks and Prodigy only to cravenly complain as loudly as possible.
 
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Fact of the matter is in the streaming era, popularity metrics are opaque. Studios love this, because it makes it easier to short the compensation of creators and actors. Us not being able to settle arguments on the internet is just collateral damage.
 
FWIW:
Series: IMDb rate, Rotten Tomatos
DISCO: 7.0, 84%
PIC: 7.5, 89%
LD: 7.8, 93%
PRO: 7.6, 97%
SNW: 8.2, 94%

Looks pretty successful to me. Abd, apparently to lots of other people.
What's amusing to me is if Kurtzman is fired or stops producing Trek they would likely stop producing Star Trek, at least for a time. The attitude is a weird mix of "Kurtzman is a failure!" and "we need better Trek" while ignoring that if Star Trek is deemed a failure then it would be seen as unprofitable as a business venture.
 
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What's amusing to me is if Kurtzman is fired or stops producing Trek they would likely stop producing Star Trek, at least for a time. The attitude is a weird mix of "Kurtzman is a failure!" and "we need better Trek" while ignoring that if Star Trek is deemed a failure then it would be seen as unprofitable as a business venture.

Star Trek is a famous IP. Even failure doesn't mean they will stop making more Trek. It just means they will hire someone else and try again and again and hope a few of them will stick .
 
Thanks for the effortpost! Definitely, I agree that a modern Star Trek could theoretically be the next Stranger Things/Squid Game, but it's much trickier for sure. The other thing is that TNG and TOS could occasionally put out a few bad episodes and get away with it because of how episodic syndicated TV worked, but a bad season for Discovery or Picard is a disaster (we're still taking the piss out of Picard S2 to this day!).

For ages I've wondered how a new episodic Star Trek might fare on streaming services - apparently old episodic sitcoms still do pretty well. This is just me projecting my own preferences, but I wonder if there's a big audience of people who look at Discovery or Picard's 10+-hour-movies and find them daunting (and tonally dull) but would happily stick on a 45-minute story which requires a much lower investment.

Basically, I wonder if a series nowadays could fill that same "something pleasant to put on in the background whenever you need it" niche, and become a cultural juggernaut through it. The first season of SNW seemed to get a lot of buzz in part because it offered exactly that, while the somewhat more serialised S3 seemed to lose steam with viewers, if the few metrics we have are anything to go by.
I think social media is the biggest game changer for a show now.
 
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The point is that it won't be made the way many who love the Berman era want it to be.

I don't think anyone expects it to. I just think people want Trek to always retain it's most important trait and that is optimism about human nature. I think lots of people are turned off when Trek feels to cynical, especially when it comes to human beings.

Trek is one of the few shows that doesn't believe in evil human beings. It looks at even bad people often as being able to be redeemed. That is why when you see a racist human like the one towards Data in "Redemption" he is capable of growth and learning the error of his ways at the end and comes to respect him. People find that hopefully because people want to think someday, we humans in the future might learn how to also become more mature people not so controlled by our fears and insecurities. Even though I think most people are realistic and know the future is likely going to be bad, people still want to have the hope,
 

Fans liked Prodigy and it wasn't really all that much like Berman Trek. While SNW has taken some heat lately, it was pretty well liked at least in season 1. I do think people want some bad consistency with the aliens. Vulcans like logic,Klingons are warriors etc but I think people are open to lots of change.

Especially if Trek ever decides to leave the Prime Universe and the pressure for visual continuity goes away even more if you do a show set in the same time period of one of the older shows, that have already defined the look of that time period.
 
I think people expect Academy to be about teenage angst. The adults will be seen as out of touch and they will need to learn from the young people. In other words have a "Okay Boomer" attitude to anyone older than them. I mean it's pretty much built into the concept. The Federation is still recovering from the Burn. So the cadets coming to the Academy will be more cynical. Lots of traditional Federation ideas will be presented as being outdated and in need to change.

The Federation can no longer be colonizers and racist to holograms. Less military like. Lots of ideas that could in theory make for a good show if people trusted the people making it but I think people mostly expect it be preachy and shallow like Discovery. In other wards the talent making it will be unable to maximize the potential of the premise.
 
think people expect Academy to be about teenage angst. The adults will be seen as out of touch and they will need to learn from the young people. In other words have a "Okay Boomer" attitude to anyone older than them. I mean it's pretty much built into the concept. The Federation is still recovering from the Burn. So the cadets coming to the Academy will be more cynical. Lots of traditional Federation ideas will be presented as being outdated and in need to change.
It's really not. This is the dumb assumptions that people apply based on nothing but their own biases.
 
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The social media blitz has clearly begun.
HOLY FUCKING CRAP did you guys notice the set design?
And it's NOT that Mando wall thing?
If nothing else this seems to be the best looking show of 2026 and I really hope it's a big hit!
 
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