It is conspicuous these comments spawn when it is a woman and not that random bridge officer on the Sutherland or more notably Shatner.
Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread
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It's almost as if some fans have a dark beef to grind about, oh, I don't know, gender and looks.
Ok, well then,
I was unaware of the hypersensitivity, but I'll stand by my joke, that's what it was a joke, from a place of experience and knowledge.
One would think that those conditions I mentioned would have been solved by the 32nd century, but apparently not, Suffice to say, do not expect an apology by any means, and if that means you have to ban me from this forum, I understand completely, no hard feelings :-)
I stopped trusting my opinion when I realized I liked "Spock's Brain." What the hell is wrong with me?
What I would expect is that obesity would not come with the same issues we have now.
I would expect the huge variety of humanity to be recognized as such and allowed access towards multiple jobs, including in Starfleet. And not only that, but we've seen fitness standards change in the US military across multiple eras of history. I know because I saw it first hand.
It's almost like this doesn't matter.
That's fair.
Fat people exist 1,000 years from now.
Somehow, popular culture and Star Trek will live.
As long as there is food and everyone has a different metabolism fat people and being overweight will be things.
Next?
Somehow, popular culture and Star Trek will live.
As long as there is food and everyone has a different metabolism fat people and being overweight will be things.
Next?
One would think you'd remember TNG was a made up show produced as entertainment for a 20th century audience and not a real attempt to completely depict actual day to day life in a time 350 years in the future.
(And jokes should contain actual humor to be considered actual jokes. It's not "Hypersensitivity' to call out blatantly rude comments.)
Bold move, saying "it's a joke" after the backlash. Jokes usually don't need that much explaining.
Well, that‘s why I was telling you, because I knew you weren‘t aware of it. It‘s less of a “hypersensitivity” and more common decency. “Let‘s not judge someone negatively because of their body” is not some super woke or out there concept, I should think. I trust you‘ll manage.
I‘m not sure what made you think I expected any kind of apology. I‘m not telling you what to think or feel sorry for. I‘m just telling you what‘s acceptable in this forum. Also, why would you be banned over this? Heck, I didn‘t even issue a formal warning. I‘m just telling you what the etiquette is like here. Who‘s “hypersensitive” now? I kid, I kid.
For real, though, let‘s give this tangent a rest.
"A joke is a story with a humorous climax."
They can't even stop pregnancies and humanity understands that in our unevolved current time.
no they don't, the 'explanation' was not the joke per se, it was for the gasping and pearl clutching that followed... :-)
anyhow, aside from the obesity joke, I'll be honest, I don't feel optimistic about this show. I think that the concept of "updated for modern audiences" is a fallacy that is used for too often....
one of the things that makes good content is that it appeals to multiple demographics, multiple generations, etc...there are kids that love Forrest Gump, and there are grandparents that love it too...or to kill a mockingbird, or the Godfather, or MASH, or...well, you get the idea.
a few months ago I was in a restaurant, i placed my order and was waiting, there was a table of 8- 10 girls, maybe aged 12 - 15, if i had to guess....Gloria Gaynor's "I will survive" came on, and they ALL were singing the song and knew the lyrics...so yet another example...not that the song is the pinnacle of musical virtuosity, but you get the point, which is similar
I get that in order to survive and succeed, they have to lure in different (younger) generations..but they too can enjoy the essence of something if it is well written without having to appeal to every aspect of that demographic, when you do that, you compromise the escapism aspect of the content....
If I watch a medieval show i don't want to hear contemporary language, for example, i want to hear language that is consistent and completes the fantasy...
the point being that just from the glimpse that we've seen, it seems they are going that route, hope I'm wrong and I'll gladly admit it if that is the case,
it's possible to make something that has universal appeal, without catering to a particular demographic, in fact that is the recipe for success.
one of the things that makes good content is that it appeals to multiple demographics, multiple generations, etc...there are kids that love Forrest Gump, and there are grandparents that love it too...or to kill a mockingbird, or the Godfather, or MASH, or...well, you get the idea.
a few months ago I was in a restaurant, i placed my order and was waiting, there was a table of 8- 10 girls, maybe aged 12 - 15, if i had to guess....Gloria Gaynor's "I will survive" came on, and they ALL were singing the song and knew the lyrics...so yet another example...not that the song is the pinnacle of musical virtuosity, but you get the point, which is similar
I get that in order to survive and succeed, they have to lure in different (younger) generations..but they too can enjoy the essence of something if it is well written without having to appeal to every aspect of that demographic, when you do that, you compromise the escapism aspect of the content....
If I watch a medieval show i don't want to hear contemporary language, for example, i want to hear language that is consistent and completes the fantasy...
the point being that just from the glimpse that we've seen, it seems they are going that route, hope I'm wrong and I'll gladly admit it if that is the case,
it's possible to make something that has universal appeal, without catering to a particular demographic, in fact that is the recipe for success.
I've started a Discovery rewatch to build up to Academy. Starting with season 2 so not a complete rewatch but season 1 sucks.
There is no place on the interwebs that the majority don't use "STD" as the acronym for disco. This is about the only place that has disco as the majority.
Edit: the other place I remember was a discovery facebook fan group. That place would have a aneurysm everytime they saw it.
I'm rewatching season 1 right now and enjoying the hell out of it.
I really wish I could. I do enjoy a lot of the 2nd half thanks to Michelle Yeoh's charisma taking up the entire set.
Star Trek has never done that though. Star Trek is not the Godfather, it is not Shakespeare, hell it isn't even always as progressive as MASH or Night Court. It has always done the update thing, from TMP, to TNG, to DS9 to First Contact, and onwards.
It isn't a period piece but a speculative future from a contemporary frame work.
Possibly because it stands for something far cruder and appears insulting?
Oh, and follows none of the conventions of Star Trek show nicknames.
The last time I did a series rewatch of Disco, I found season 1 had the tightest scripts and story arc. It helped they broke up the narrative into three sub-arcs, rather than their later achilles heel of stretching out a movie's worth of plot over 13 episodes.
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