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i still wonder if season 4 will have those over the top type speical style episodes like when laara went to a alternate timeline then time traveled to the past or the time when laara tested out the holadeck then theres 4 and half vulcans oh and when the enterprise would burst into song and did musicals then theres the episode where 2 starfleet members from the future time traveled to the past then when spock and christine were getting married in a alternate reality
Just noticed the soles of Puppet Pike's boots.
Everything else aside, the puppet is darn cute!
What if the episode is just Pike showing off his new hobby to the crew? The age old story of a man loosing the love of his life and turning to the art of puppetry to deal with his depression and then the puppets come to life because of a space anomaly and then they try to kill their creator and his friends so they can take over their lives, which in this case means becoming the crew of a starship.
What if Spock puts Pike's spirit, his Katra in the muppet like some sort of woven spiritual flash drive backup? In fact, I dare the SNW writers to do it
With Pike's Katra now in the muppet we get a chance for some TOS love to "Spock's Brain" because they now have to control his human body with a remote control device.
Its inspiration
Angel episode called Same Time
people need to know some of the reception of the Angel episode and how it will be compared to SNW.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smile_Time#Reception. Some of the reception of Same time
This episode was nominated for a 2005 Hugo Award in the category of "Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form",[5] and was rated the series' second-best episode in a poll done by Angel Magazine.[6] The BBC agreed, adding "it's surely one of Angel's most inspired and laugh-out-loud episodes. How such an innovative show can be canceled after producing something like 'Smile Time' is baffling."[3]
In their "Year in Review", MSNBC singled out this episode for the tongue-in-cheek "Best appearance by a guest puppet" award, saying it managed to "send up not only children’s TV but the Angel series itself."[7] Writer Peter David was impressed that "they seemed to anticipate every single fan reaction" - for example, Knox's suggestion that the Joker was responsible for the children's illness. "Even more savvy," David writes, "there was rumbling before the episode even aired that this was a 'Jumping the shark' installment. Foreseeing that, there's a line bitching about how lousy the last several seasons of Happy Days was, the show from which the (frankly by now overused) phrase originated."[8]
The Futon Critic named it the 21st best episode 2004, simply stating "They made Angel a puppet. A puppet. Nothing more needs to be said."[9]
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In other words Same Time received immense critically acclaim and not just any kind of critical acclaim, artistic critical acclaim.This is what SNW has to pull off in its reception for the puppet episode to be considered overall great as it will be compared to Same time.
they already failed with subspace rhapsody been star trek's answer to once more with the feeling and this was in season 2 where the quality was better. the puppet episode takes place in season 4 that was shot back to back with season 3 that has been critically panned.
Something I already find worrying is that. Angel as a puppet sort of looks okay, it fits the tone and universe of his world.Pike as a puppet in SNW just looks very ridiculous, it does not fit star trek at all, it looks more like an actual parody of star trek with puppets than an actual star trek episode.
This is why you need to know your genre. Are you fantasy or sci-fi or are you a little bit of both with one having a far bigger presence than the other. Star Trek, as I said is Sci-Fi with a little bit of Fantasy.
The worry from fans about the puppet episode since the announcement is deserved.
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Smile Time.
‘Strange New Worlds’ To Have Fewer “Outliers” And Be Traditional ‘Star Trek’ In Final Seasons, Per Showrunner
The SNW cast also talks about how they are not ready to say goodbye.
trekmovie.com
I find it strangely ironic that anyone would claim that SNW is going back more towards "traditional" Star Trek, when it's probably been the most "traditional" of all the present-era shows and closest in tone to TOS during its entire run. Sure there have been some experiments, some of which were received less-than-favorably, but on the whole it's been a pretty damn solid series, IMO.
SNW was never the most traditional or the closest to TOS. I feel Picard season 1 episode 1 was almost going there until the final part of picard episode one or 2.I find it strangely ironic that anyone would claim that SNW is going back more towards "traditional" Star Trek, when it's probably been the most "traditional" of all the present-era shows and closest in tone to TOS during its entire run. Sure there have been some experiments, some of which were received less-than-favorably, but on the whole it's been a pretty damn solid series, IMO.
I liked 2/3 of episode 1 of Picard.
SNW had a forced narrative that got destroyed in season 3 finally. Traditional star trek was more adult, intellectual driven and the sci-fi element was more better.
I think the bizarreness of trying to use this show as the saviour of star trek to distance the public from discovery and picard or even the kelvinverse was a narrative that should never have happened.
The show was a soap opera sci-fi from the moment we saw spock and tpring about to do it and then we realized some of this characters had no real ties to tos but where just using the names and also the premise of the show takes it away from TOS, we do not even know what jobs are meant to be done by the characters.
There's some fundamental differences at the core of how TOS and SNW are written that make them feel entirely distinct for me. That's not to say SNW needs to emulate TOS, but the storytelling model is extremely different:
- Characters as archetypes to insert into stories (TOS) versus characters as focus of plot who must constantly model growth/change/trauma/etc (SNW)
- Sci-fi plot in foreground (TOS) vs sci-fi plot in background/as backrop to character study (SNW)
- General lack of interest in continuity (TOS) vs extreme interest in "lore", in reference to both to itself and TOS (SNW)
- Tight standalone three-act stories (TOS) versus longform storytelling that exists to be part of a wider picture (SNW)
TNG and Voyager both feel much closer to TOS to me - TNG might have swapped bright pulpy fun for beige boardroom dullness but the storytelling model is basically intact; I'm not sure the same is true of SNW. It flirted with it for its first season, but at this point IMO it much more closely resembles Discovery and Picard structurally than it does TOS. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing for people who enjoy it, but it does make Goldsman's "traditional Trek!" marketing line ring hollow.
- Characters as archetypes to insert into stories (TOS) versus characters as focus of plot who must constantly model growth/change/trauma/etc (SNW)
- Sci-fi plot in foreground (TOS) vs sci-fi plot in background/as backrop to character study (SNW)
- General lack of interest in continuity (TOS) vs extreme interest in "lore", in reference to both to itself and TOS (SNW)
- Tight standalone three-act stories (TOS) versus longform storytelling that exists to be part of a wider picture (SNW)
TNG and Voyager both feel much closer to TOS to me - TNG might have swapped bright pulpy fun for beige boardroom dullness but the storytelling model is basically intact; I'm not sure the same is true of SNW. It flirted with it for its first season, but at this point IMO it much more closely resembles Discovery and Picard structurally than it does TOS. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing for people who enjoy it, but it does make Goldsman's "traditional Trek!" marketing line ring hollow.
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I find it strangely ironic that anyone would claim that SNW is going back more towards "traditional" Star Trek, when it's probably been the most "traditional" of all the present-era shows and closest in tone to TOS during its entire run. Sure there have been some experiments, some of which were received less-than-favorably, but on the whole it's been a pretty damn solid series, IMO.
What I think they are saying is they are really going to try and go back to SNW season 1 in it's approach to stories. Which would be good IMO because that is the best season of the series. I think they might have only 2 to 3 comedy episodes. Also more social commentary in the serious episodes. I also expect less romance.
I expect them to tell the stories they want. I don't expect Season 1 anymore than I expect Season 3.
its season 3. they shot season 3 and 4 back to back, so it is likely going to be the same quantity.
Season 5 they are shooting now and can use the feedback from season 3.
also it is still the same writers and showrunners, so the content will still be the same.
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Yes. I expect 10 episodes as well.
Because Season 1 and 2 are the same?
Well, no, because that's now how linear storytelling works. A lot of the same people ran TNG, DS9 and VOY for seven seasons each and the seasons often felt and played very differently.
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