Season 4 First Clip
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She's the security chief.
Look at Worf and now look at La'an. It's practical and appropriate for her position.
She's not there to look good; she's there to do a job.
Look at Worf and now look at La'an. It's practical and appropriate for her position.
She's not there to look good; she's there to do a job.
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TNG's uniforms were only unisex in the first two seasons. In season 3 onwards, the men had two-piece tunic and trousers while the women wore one-piece spandex.
Horrendously ugly and asymmetrical that really were unflattering, much less practical for a duty uniform.
They're both attractive women who are doing their jobs in the uniforms given to them. Neither the cast nor the characters are in competition with each other. Una, Uhura and Erica are all also attractive women who don't need to outshine anyone. It's an awful thought that you'd walk into your workplace and be judged as to whether you were able to outshine another woman.
In the episode a quality of mercy the finale to season 1, with alternate Laan, she looked great and did not feel like the same Laan from the original timeline. I would like to see them do more with Laan styling especially now that she is dating Spock.
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It's neither neccessary nor desirable for women to change their look because they're dating. It's a terrible message for Star Trek to send that she should look hotter because a man has looked her way. It's a tired 90s trope that the a women turns into a gorgeous, attractive princess because a man is interested and she was hiding her true level of hotness all along.
nah..... shorter skirts are not that realistic either. TOS Costume for the girls were not realistic either. I would have rather have them just use the uniforms from the kelvin timeline and just give the girls long leggins.
Speaking of carol Marcus played by the fantastic alice eve, her blue uniform was great. it was quite realistic for star fleet but at the same time very feminine and attractive for a sci fiction action movie that we know men and women like to look at for more than just the vfx.
It does feel like sometimes some of this shows with a modern post me too era narrative seem to go to great lengths in wanting to tone down or even erase the male gaze competently, so they will purposely not style female characters to look their very best, something that would never happen in the 1990s.
The is the only explanation to me of why Ortega still wears that awful haircut and why some see her as ambiguous. As I said this show runners are not naive, they know the kind of message they want to send when they present characters.
I find this hilarious in the larger context of 60 years of star trek influence, because one of William Shatner's many arguments for Star Trek been better than Star Wars is that the women of Star Trek are hotter than the women of Star Wars, according to William Shatner.
Hey, William said this, not me.
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there was a scene in discovery when adira lectures someone about them getting their gender wrong. scenes like this are a sharp contrast of TOS and what makes TOS fantastic for a 1960s show that really made it progressive in a way that merited substance.
Star Trek was a concept that was in the future where prejudice was no longer meant to be a primary thing. this is why in TOS, Uhura took no offence when President Lincoln called her the softer version of the N word.
Adira getting aggressively upset about misinterpretation of gender from a star trek fan audience view point just felt awkward and forced, the context did not work. this is not even Benjamin Sisko from DS9 taking a trip back in time to explore what life was like for an African American growing up in USA. that DS9 story works as it was handled from a very different context as is the context of Spock getting bullied for having a human mother. Again different context to Adira and her gender identity.
Apparently the adira/grey pairing sums up a lot about the entire flaw of streaming star trek. they do everything a little on the nose
that somethings dont make sense anymore or just comes off cringe and this extend to criticisms of how SNW always needs to show the women always better and more dominant than men as that is how they can only explain how Women can be something more than just the weaker gender by default because society has always told us so. Classic trek was not like this,.
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there was a scene in discovery when adira lectures someone about them getting their gender wrong. scenes like this are a sharp contrast of TOS and what makes TOS fantastic for a 1960s show that really made it progressive in a way that merited substance.
Is this the "lecture" to which you're referring?
There's no "lecture" there. A simple correction and acceptance.
Your take on women in streaming Trek is terrible.
Those uniforms are awful. No rank, and highly uncomfortable.
They're there to do a job. Period. No need for attractive people to be acting like models. That's such bullshit.
yes, now compare this to this from TOS
In TOS, You learn how shitty prejudice is but you are still not taken outside of the moment as a viewer, prejudice was dealt with here with Lincoln/Uhura that was sophisticated in a good way, for a show that was set in the future where prejudice was no longer meant to be a thing.
In discovery, you are taking outside of the show. Don't get me wrong, I think Discovery still has some the highest highs among all the streaming shows and I feel many Discovery characters like Book and Saru deserve their flowers as some of the best trek characters created in the nu trek era, but that scene with Adira was just down right generic and felt preachy. the poor they even got upset
compared to Uhura.I would have posted another clip explaining why that scene was not well executed but the clip will be from the actual right wing incels on youtube who by the way will tell some half truths and make some good points but end everything with more lies and toxicity.
No, classic Trek gave us period-dated things like:Apparently the adira/grey pairing sums up a lot about the entire flaw of streaming star trek. they do everything a little on the nose
“THE WOMEN!”
Spock inferring to Rand that she liked being assaulted by evil Kirk in The Enemy Within.
Uhura shrieking in fear when Kirk disappears in Arena, as well as lines like “Captain, I’m frightened.”
The clusterfuck that was Turnabout Intruder, where apparently no women are starship captains.
TOS was hardly the bastion of progressive writing for the women in the cast.
“The call is coming from inside the house.”
TNG would struggle at times too.
Bellowing this was, very simply, the most logical and efficient way to alert nearby crew to the fact that two female officers had been taken. Spock raised his voice not in rage or shock, but simply to ensure that he was heard, and chose the briefest possible statement to raise the alarm as time was a factor. It was 100% Vulcan behaviour, T'Pau herself would have done the same.
you are now grading around the curves. I was not.
when I referenced TOS, I used to say by 1960s standard to show the series was not perfect but did come a long way. a character like Christine Chapel is the best example of collateral damage of the 1960s dated writing that sucks and the 2020 girl boss ridiculous writing that also sucks, I can make some few argument of a lot of the legacy characters the show used like Spock, Uhura, Pike but Chapel I think is the best case scenario.
1960s Chapel: Boring, lovelorn crushing, not much of a personality than a cardboard, boyfriend turns out to be a robot which is humiliating, love man that cannot love her back, many times a glorified extra.
2020s Chapel: Girl Boss, shows dominance over a vulcan that should not be possible, gets more focus than the actual captain of the ship who is meant to be the main character, knows more archeology than her fiance who is the professional, does more medicine than doctors, does combat fight scenes even more than the first officer (Una) who is sort of also superhuman.
Both of these characterizations are equally bad and does not nothing to help the character be on a list of some of the best female characters of all time as say, Buffy Summers.
This is one of my favourite sentences ever written on this site.
FTFY
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and the way they correct this is for Chapel to constantly humiliate Spock to show her new found feminist strength.TOS Chapel had some painful humiliating moments, the soup throw and the robot boyfriend to name the few. SNW has some humiliating moments for poor Ol Spock too to reverse the dated 60s trope of humiliating women.
Looks like trek is back to square one. SNW is making some of the mistakes of TOS in reverse.they just better make SNW Spock transformation to TOS Spock worth my time.
1. Part of the first seasons of SNW was marketed on how Pike is sexy and has sexy hair.
2. the defence out-universe for why Spock has such an active love life is because ethan peck is hot so the writers cannot help but pair him up with someone.
even the synopsis for Spock's Amok episode, asked fans to guess who was the ladies man in trek lore? Spock or Kirk
.Answer : its Jim Kirk.
Don't worry as a POC, I take no offence to this. afterall TOS Uhura was marketed based on how attractive Nichelle Nichols was, which was a big deal for the 1960s since prior to uhura black women in tv/film were either maids or that mammy character from gone with the wind.
Don't also forget Jeri Ryan who played 7 of 9 from Star Trek Voyager in that robo babe suit which was a big thing in the 90s geek community and I would even argue 7 of 9 been a sex symbol ended up overshadowing the character itself. I heard Jeri still answers questions about that suit and the impact it had on young fan boys and Brannon Braga still denies why 7 of 9 was actually created which was to attract 18-35 men viewers.the juice is all here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_of_Nine#Reception
Star Trek has always had sex and attraction but it is very balanced with smart and intelligent characters and good science fiction stories that came first.
So I was never against sex or constant dating like some said I was, I just do not agree with how SNW handled it and the hypocrisy about some of the choices.
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It's like they've never watched the show,
