Its on screen in tos. Its canon.
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x08 - "Four-And-A-Half Vulcans"
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Its on screen in tos. Its canon.
If it's not on screen, it's not canon.
It's that simple.
It's that simple.
In that case, it's canon that the Enterprise was refit between Pike's tenure and Kirk's tenure to look like flimsy cardboard interior design, because that's what's on screen so it's canon. This idea propagated online, including on these boards, that the SNW Enterprise is how the ship really looked in TOS is not what's actually shown on screen, seems to be based on fans' wishful thinking, and is therefore not canon.
And by that logic, it's canon that between Spock's death and his resurrection on the Genesis planet, Saavik had a massive physical shift causing her to look like she was an entirely different person!
No, that's not on screen
What's onscreen is that the ship looks different in different episodes. No "refit" explanation is offered in canon.
And all of this is nonsense and gibberish. Trek is just a make-it-up-as-you-go product that has contained wild inconsistencies since the beginning. And none of those can be wished or argued or explained away to the satisfaction of an observer who doesn't agree to participate in the silliness.
I’d been mostly enjoying this season but this episode was beyond terrible, for me is in the top ten worst episodes of Star Trek ever made
Spectacular episode. Extremely fun with belly laugh moments. Best this season so far.
No. I’m not going to do that. Not within my purview. Nor anyone else’s who doesn’t have decision making power in this matter. That’s the point.
Canon is simply anything that makes it onscreen in an official production. It has zero obligation to be consistent with other onscreen productions. Contradictions with other onscreen material is irrelevant, much less contradictions with other, tangential material.
It’s not a question of liking, approving, profoundly disagreeing, or any other reaction one might have to anything superseding or contradicting what one previously knew or believed—it’s simply that what is onscreen becomes part of the canon. No amount of appealing to material never put onscreen, regardless of who created it or under what circumstances, can alter this situation. Only the IP rights owners can decide to make something that has been onscreen “out of the canon” but only making it to the screen can make something canonical in the first place.
There can be, and have been, multiple continuities in Trek (as in other IPs). Any and all of these that make it onscreen are automatically canonical. Even the contradictions? Yes. Even the contradictions.
So now the Enterprise is 442 metres long. No one is required to like it and people are certainly allowed to wish it were otherwise. But it doesn’t matter with respect to the canonical status of “the size of the Enterprise”. It’s 442 metres long.
Once again, Jess Bush killed it.
The Enterprise D has a giant duck somewhere (and a Batmobile?). Buckaroo Banzai and Kei and Yuri are historical figures in Starfleet. As are the crew and passengers of the S.S. Minnow.
On screen. Canon.
"Now"? When was it not? You're not implying that it was ever communicated differently are you? Because I have seen many posts on this board that assure me that it never was. This is the first time ever that we have learned the length of the Enterprise.
On screen. Canon.
"Now"? When was it not? You're not implying that it was ever communicated differently are you? Because I have seen many posts on this board that assure me that it never was. This is the first time ever that we have learned the length of the Enterprise.
As does the Cerritos, the Rubber Duck Room was even mentioned in dialogue.
"In the 23rd century holographic imaging was less precise"
For me the funniest part of the episode was that all four officers remained in Vulcan dress the whole time they were altered to be Vulcans. Pike remained in the Vulcan robe until the condition was reversed, even cooking for Batel and the Admiral in it. Watching him wear the same thing for almost the entire episode without even one clothing change was hilarious.
I guess they started to get used to it, and it grew comfortable.
With no readable numbers/dimensions.
Yes. Now. Prior to this episode, it had not been communicated and so remained ambiguous. Now the ambiguity is gone. It’s not that complicated.
Indeed. And likewise if it's on screen in SNW, it's canon.
Just accept that it existed. Which is why Spock and Scottie suggest the OK Corral was a holodeck.
Oh, wait ...
Also in the Mark of Gideon they mention the size of the Enterprise being 288 meters long I believe.
Read above. So its canon. The Enterprise has mysteriously gotten larger in SNW. Maybe they decide to simultaneously shrink the Enterprise and double the crew compliment by 2065.
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