Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x05 - "Through the Lens of Time"

[AntonyF]

Another episode for me with potential but so many negatives.

I quite liked the new guy in medical but as soon as they said he's going on a way mission I though that's him dead. I know the red shirt thing is a trope for Trek, but they don't need to embrace it.

More Chapel. I dislike her a lot, and she's in everything. She's like a vine weed. Give the rest of the team room to breath and appear and do stuff.

Which leads me to lots of randoms, not enough of the main cast. I don't need them all. especially love interests for Chapel. I don't care. I so so don't care about her romantic dalliances.

I did like that it felt like they were exploring something new, even if it was just an escape room. And I'm curious to what they are setting up.

 

[Okmyx]

hmmm,

Gamble wasn't wearing a red shirt. Are white shirts now doomed too?

Noted while watching and then forgotten till now: When they finally extricated themselves from the prison, Ortegas' drone cam did not follow him out. It must have been an old expendable model.

 

[Nerys Myk]

hmmm,

Gamble wasn't wearing a red shirt. Are white shirts now doomed too?

Noted while watching and then forgotten till now: When they finally extricated themselves from the prison, Ortegas' drone cam did not follow him out. It must have been an old expendable model.

The cost is coming out of his paycheck.

 

[Tuskin38]

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[Michael]

Dang, I wish these things were longer. Pretty interesting! Thanks for posting this.

Can’t say that I got that this was supposed to be a “city”, though. And even with a gun to my head I couldn’t have told you what the name of the planet was.

 

[XCV330]

hmmm,

Gamble wasn't wearing a red shirt. Are white shirts now doomed too?

White Shirts get resurrected, eventually.

 

[fireproof78]

White Shirts get resurrected, eventually.

Damn it, Spock!

 

[Enterpriserules]

The Saddle Up! review is finally here!

 

[Jag2112]

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[TimeIsAPredator]

It was a nationally distributed US magazine. So yeah, the articles were the same for everyone who picked it up. No idea if it was distributed elsewhere.

No the US TV Guide would not be commonly found or read outside of America.

 

[Tallguy]

No the US TV Guide would not be commonly found or read outside of America.

In 1988 how much of the world outside of the United States was getting TNG? The bulk of, dare I say the target audience of TNG knew that Crosby was leaving. And if you were the sort of person who would one day log on to TrekBBS (or back then its rudimentary predecessors) you even knew the episode.

The surprise would have been how early in the episode it happened. (Rather like they had originally planned for Spock in Wrath of Khan.)

It's like Terminator 2. (Spoilers.) There might be somebody now who happens upon the film with no foreknowledge of its reputation and might be surprised by the twist that Arnold is the good guy in this one. But in the U.S. in 1991 that was the selling point of the whole marketing campaign.

Why are we talking about this? Is this the "stakes" thing again?

 

[Fateor]

In 1988 how much of the world outside of the United States was getting TNG? The bulk of, dare I say the target audience of TNG knew that Crosby was leaving. And if you were the sort of person who would one day log on to TrekBBS (or back then its rudimentary predecessors) you even knew the episode.

The surprise would have been how early in the episode it happened. (Rather like they had originally planned for Spock in Wrath of Khan.)

It's like Terminator 2. (Spoilers.) There might be somebody now who happens upon the film with no foreknowledge of its reputation and might be surprised by the twist that Arnold is the good guy in this one. But in the U.S. in 1991 that was the selling point of the whole marketing campaign.

Why are we talking about this? Is this the "stakes" thing again?

The bulk of the target audience did not.

Seriously, it was 1988 and not heavily talked about at the time.

 

[Noname Given]

The bulk of the target audience did not.

Seriously, it was 1988 and not heavily talked about at the time.

Um, I was there - it was PLASTERED in any/every Hollywood media and Starlog, etc. ET did a piece of their show about it the week the episode was airing (not every station aired new episodes on the same day/time across the country.)

The target audience was WELL AWARE weeks prior to the episode airing.

Believe it or not, fans knew how to get BTS info before the internet existed. SHOCKING I know...

 

[Tallguy]

Seriously, it was 1988 and not heavily talked about at the time.

Only among people that read about Star Trek? Someone flipping over from St. Elsewhere? No, they had no idea.

In any event, after that happened it wasn't like the audience was sitting there thinking "Oh NO! ANY of them can die! At any moment! I'm on the edge of my seat now!"

 

[MarcKyle1964]

What IS the mortality rate for established cast members? (rhetorical question).

In most military hierarchies, people get promoted, retire, get medically discharged, KIA etc. There is no way a crew stays in the positions of our cast that long, not when there is an opportunity for extended educational leave (war college) or newly comissioned crew at every Starbase, which they dock at frequently. Crew change happens constantly.

I can see it for a five year mission out in nowhere with no chance for crew changes (poor Harry Kim), but the Constellation and other classes dock at long established Starfleet or friendly space stations all the time.

And I haven't even gotten into service promotion track for each of the crew. If you fall off the track too much, you effectively pause your career.

 

[MarcKyle1964]

Um, I was there - it was PLASTERED in any/every Hollywood media and Starlog, etc. ET did a piece of their show about it the week the episode was airing (not every station aired new episodes on the same day/time across the country.)

The target audience was WELL AWARE weeks prior to the episode airing.

Believe it or not, fans knew how to get BTS info before the internet existed. SHOCKING I know...

There was even an actual *gasp!* Entertainment/TV section in the newspaper delivered to your door every morning. Sometimes Trek stuff would be prominent in a column or there would be a feature story on top of the E section's fold. So news about Denise wanting to do a Shelly Long / David Caruso to her career was known by those who were interested.

 

[Pauln6]

Um, I was there - it was PLASTERED in any/every Hollywood media and Starlog, etc. ET did a piece of their show about it the week the episode was airing (not every station aired new episodes on the same day/time across the country.)

The target audience was WELL AWARE weeks prior to the episode airing.

Believe it or not, fans knew how to get BTS info before the internet existed. SHOCKING I know...

I was in the UK and I had no clue.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

In 1988 how much of the world outside of the United States was getting TNG? The bulk of, dare I say the target audience of TNG knew that Crosby was leaving. And if you were the sort of person who would one day log on to TrekBBS (or back then its rudimentary predecessors) you even knew the episode.

The surprise would have been how early in the episode it happened. (Rather like they had originally planned for Spock in Wrath of Khan.)

It's like Terminator 2. (Spoilers.) There might be somebody now who happens upon the film with no foreknowledge of its reputation and might be surprised by the twist that Arnold is the good guy in this one. But in the U.S. in 1991 that was the selling point of the whole marketing campaign.

Why are we talking about this? Is this the "stakes" thing again?

But the bulk of people who saw TNG for the first run in whatever country they saw it knew nothing about Crosby leaving.

For instance watching in Ireland first run you knew little or nothing before the episode aired. A quick RTE guide preview was all we got. "Today the crew visit an alien planet" kinda stuff.

It's a bit of a stereotype that all American tourists in Europe are shocked that everywhere isn't exactly like the USA and you are not doing much to dispel that.

 

[Tallguy]

But the bulk of people who saw TNG for the first run in whatever country they saw it knew nothing about Crosby leaving.

For instance watching in Ireland first run you knew little or nothing before the episode aired. A quick RTE guide preview was all we got. "Today the crew visit an alien planet" kinda stuff.

It's a bit of a stereotype that all American tourists in Europe are shocked that everywhere isn't exactly like the USA and you are not doing much to dispel that.

I started my post with "In 1988 how much of the world outside of the United States was getting TNG?" Indicating that I do NOT think every else in the world is like the USA.

Perhaps I don't actually understand what was going on at the time or the breakdown of the demographics in 1988.

It would make intuitive sense to me that in 1988 the bulk of the worldwide audience of TNG was in the United States. I know this is often no longer the case and production companies commonly chase after an international market as a larger audience than domestic US audiences. But that's now. Back then Star Trek was struggling to break into international markets in the way that Star Wars had been able to.

If this was not the situation and there were more viewers outside of the US than inside then today I learned something.

But I believe that first season TNG was watched in the US more than anyplace else in the world. Would the audience outside of the US be reading up on TNG in Starlog on TV guide? I agree, probably not.

Someone with a better memory than mine: was it covered on the magazine TV shows like Entertainment tonight? I ran with a nerdy crowd then as now. We all knew that SOMEONE was leaving and then we knew WHO was leaving before the show aired. And we knew it from (among other sources) the local news on the entertainment beat.

(Wasn't there a Starlog equivalent in the UK? I seem to recall getting a fair amount of Doctor Who news from there as well as getting a non-US perspective on a lot of our big budget sci-fi adventure stuff. Starburst? Is that / was that a thing?)

 

[drt]

There was even an actual *gasp!* Entertainment/TV section in the newspaper delivered to your door every morning. Sometimes Trek stuff would be prominent in a column or there would be a feature story on top of the E section's fold. So news about Denise wanting to do a Shelly Long / David Caruso to her career was known by those who were interested.

Someone with a better memory than mine: was it covered on the magazine TV shows like Entertainment tonight? I ran with a nerdy crowd then as now. We all knew that SOMEONE was leaving and then we knew WHO was leaving before the show aired. And we knew it from (among other sources) the local news on the entertainment beat.

I think younger folks may not realize how often people watched entertainment programs and saw entertainment updates in the newspaper's TV section back in the day (or how pervasive newspapers even were for that matter, lol). For the latter, it's how most people determined if there was anything worthwhile watching on TV that evening (and not a rerun, etc.), so most people checked that section of the paper daily. For the former, Entertainment Tonight (and shows like it) were usually aired weekdays immediately before prime time network programming, so it wasn't unusual to tune in a bit early (because you watched everything live) and catch the last half of it pretty frequently. I'd say if you were living in the USA and over the age of 10-12 in 1988, you had a pretty good idea she was leaving the show.

Let's also not forget that Denise Crosby was Bing Crosby's granddaughter and had just appeared in Playboy magazine, so there was quite a bit of pop culture interest in her as well, so anything she did was more likely to make news.