Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x06 - "The Sehlat Who Ate Its Tail"
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Imagine you're in a war, and shoot an enemy soldier in self defense. Then, you find a picture of his kids on his body. You're telling me you wouldn't take mixed feelings with you to your grave - even if intellectually you know you made the right choice?
A lack of regret, IMHO, is psychopath territory.
Correct. Star Trek often gets this wrong but chain of command is not just an episode title; it's extremely real and demands adherence. The Farragut's chain of command is established by its commanding officer, and Kirk cannot be relieved unless by someone senior in that chain.
Considering how easily communication was disabled and how primitive rotary phones and gaming joysticks were used to save the Enterprise, we may just have seen the in-universe reason why the ship is seemingly refit to more primitive looking technology as of TOS
Say what you want about the actual continuity of the show, but the writers clearly do their homework when it comes to the technobabble.
Several times in the series they've referenced Trek Tech/science things correctly.
Like in this episode, baryon particles being a by product of warp travel goes all the way back to TNG. And Scotty using an existing tech in dialogue, warp manifolds, instead of the writers just creating something new.
Several times in the series they've referenced Trek Tech/science things correctly.
Like in this episode, baryon particles being a by product of warp travel goes all the way back to TNG. And Scotty using an existing tech in dialogue, warp manifolds, instead of the writers just creating something new.
That was clearly SNW's "riff" on the Doomsday machine or the giant amoeba episode. With quite a bit of Star Trek 09 & the twist from Star Trek Beyond sprinkled in.
I enjoyed the episode a lot purely for the pace and how tangible everything that happened was.
I like they let a lot of mysteries open (the monster ship is clearly of alien origin, and the alien suits have magical alien crystal tech).
I have two major issues with this episode:
But overall I would say the strongest episodes this season - despite the bad aftertaste of trying to be a TOS prequel with way less interesting actors than SNW itself.
I enjoyed the episode a lot purely for the pace and how tangible everything that happened was.
I like they let a lot of mysteries open (the monster ship is clearly of alien origin, and the alien suits have magical alien crystal tech).
I have two major issues with this episode:
- I really don't like Paul Wesley's portrayal as Kirk. Compared to Anson he's a charisma hole. This episode did not make me yearn for a "Year one" series. SNW works best as it's own show, NOT when it tries to launch a TOS reboot
- The Farragut reusing the Enterprise sets really hurt this episode. Previous Trek series often had a "spare" bridge (TNG used the Excelsior bridge, DIS the Shenzhen one) to make it more believable
But overall I would say the strongest episodes this season - despite the bad aftertaste of trying to be a TOS prequel with way less interesting actors than SNW itself.
The saucer of the Farragut is 1:1 identical to the Connie's, so it would be weird if it didn't look identical.
I think it's supposed to be smaller.
Same as the Nebula class saucer is almost identical to the Galaxy's, but also always treated as "lesser" and still always has a "different" bridge set to clearly distinguish it from the hero ship for the viewers.
Curious, why would one impact the other?
No, the saucers are the same size.
And the bridge at least isn't 1:1, like they added the Goose Neck viewers from 'The Cage', and swapped all the red accents with brown (wood?)
Those torpedoes hit a Klingon D7 that was inside the ship, causing a warp core explosion which blew it apart.
It looked like the nacelles caused a EMP or similar effect to disable the ship.
You missed a lot of the episode, the monster ship was a clump ship, assembled over hundreds of years by humans using whatever salvage they could find or steal.
And it wasn't magic, it was probably the same type of optical deflector technology as the Hunters used.
The ship was able to destroy planets because it had a giant ass tractor beam.
We've known tractor beams can cause seismic instability in planets since TNG, so it's not much of stretch that a giant overpowered one would be able to rip apart one.
So Kirk got Spock on the basis of first time impressions without needing to know anymore. Sounds like Kirk to me.
Hmm. I look forward to the DVD release. And as to the title, well, presumably a sehlat eating its tail would have a better outcome from a le-matya eating its tail.
I present to you the original crew of the Scavenger:
The skull and easy disabling were the only two things in this ep. that actually bugged me. The first is silly and the second too simple. I think the idea with the nacelles was they tricked the ship into attacking itself, e.g. it was its own tentacles that did it, but it didn't quite play for me.
The skull became easier to accept with the twist reveal, like of course that's what human space pirates would build their ship to look like. But we didn't know that for most of the story so it seemed dumb.
Thank you, I think this is me overpromoting Spock and assuming he's already a Lt Commander!
That was pretty good! Gave it an 8!
Kirk and his first command and developing his intuitive style was good stuff! I'm still not completely sold on Wesley as Kirk but he's growing on me. In contrast, Pine had me sold from the start. But it was enjoyable seeing him start being Captain Kirk. Pike's talk with Kirk at the end was great. There will be decisions that you'll regret and have to live with for the rest of your life. That's the reality.
Some of the scenes against the salvagers were pretty intense and good. The episode did a great job at setting of the challenge they faced against a stronger, larger opponent. Seemed to mirror Doomsday Machine in some ways.
So, why not a 10 then? The episode missed the mark in a few ways. The largest problem was that the direction was fairly flat. Scenes didn't have the oomph they should've. Battle scenes could've been more intense along with the final victory. The final defeat was way too easy and felt flat. Compare that the Doomsday Machine which has similar type solution but using a Starship instead of photon torpedos.
Some of the humor and jokey lines didn't land quite right nor was the phone stuff as cutesy as it thought it was.
And the I didn't buy the concept of the salvagers. Sure. Some lone country launched a ship that became this uber weapon all on its own. It just doesn't ring true. Also, the message behind them as single minded consumers was too on the nose in its presentation.
How does Captain Garrovick fit in the timeline? I would've liked to have seen that story!
Kirk and his first command and developing his intuitive style was good stuff! I'm still not completely sold on Wesley as Kirk but he's growing on me. In contrast, Pine had me sold from the start. But it was enjoyable seeing him start being Captain Kirk. Pike's talk with Kirk at the end was great. There will be decisions that you'll regret and have to live with for the rest of your life. That's the reality.
Some of the scenes against the salvagers were pretty intense and good. The episode did a great job at setting of the challenge they faced against a stronger, larger opponent. Seemed to mirror Doomsday Machine in some ways.
So, why not a 10 then? The episode missed the mark in a few ways. The largest problem was that the direction was fairly flat. Scenes didn't have the oomph they should've. Battle scenes could've been more intense along with the final victory. The final defeat was way too easy and felt flat. Compare that the Doomsday Machine which has similar type solution but using a Starship instead of photon torpedos.
Some of the humor and jokey lines didn't land quite right nor was the phone stuff as cutesy as it thought it was.
And the I didn't buy the concept of the salvagers. Sure. Some lone country launched a ship that became this uber weapon all on its own. It just doesn't ring true. Also, the message behind them as single minded consumers was too on the nose in its presentation.
How does Captain Garrovick fit in the timeline? I would've liked to have seen that story!
Garrovick died in the Tycho IV attack of 2257, so he's been dead for four years at this point. The Vulcan Captain is probably his immediate successor.
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