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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x03 - "Shuttle to Kenfori"

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I had to listen to it like 5 times, but yeah the Klingon theme is there but faint
 
I had to listen to it like 5 times, but yeah the Klingon theme is there but faint

I heard the Undiscovered Country references a few times. Of course it helps that Pluto TV is running all the trek movies and I had seen some of that movie recently but it was a nice touch. I think Melumad might be my favorite trek composer in the modern era. She is doing a hell of a job.
 
I'm an old Star Trek and Battlestar Galactical fan. In this latest episode where they have the Enterprise warping into Kenfori's atmosphere is almost identical to the "The Adama Maneuver" from the last season of Battlestar Galactica. to avoid any infringement the Star Trek producers didn't show any atmospheric displacement.
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I'm an old Star Trek and Battlestar Galactical fan. In this latest episode where they have the Enterprise warping into Kenfori's atmosphere is almost identical to the "The Adama Maneuver" from the last season of Battlestar Galactica. to avoid any infringement the Star Trek producers didn't show any atmospheric displacement.
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"Infringement" doesn't work that way. There was no danger of it.
 
Kirk was charged with that and if it weren't for saving the planet and repopulating the Whale species, those charges would not have been dropped.

I do agree though that the scene between M'Banga and Pike at the end and covering up the murder doesn't really sit well with me. I like the character drama so it didn't hinder my enjoyment, but Pike is really forgiving in this series. Remember he also covered up Una's Illyrian DNA, or at least pushed the can down the road until she was arrested. It seems in his character in this series to be more laid back with his crew, which might impact him as a leader.

Could it be a sort of knee-jerk reaction from him knowing what he does about his own life? To be forgiving of others' follies? Not just forgiving of them... supporting them to do The Right Thing despite it being unethical or criminal? I'm thinking of what happens in the Menagerie. I need to rewatch, but I do recall that he repeatedly beeped "No" to Spock at some point... but did he know about the plan Spock had hatched? hmm. Not sure now.
 
I'm an old Star Trek and Battlestar Galactical fan. In this latest episode where they have the Enterprise warping into Kenfori's atmosphere is almost identical to the "The Adama Maneuver" from the last season of Battlestar Galactica. to avoid any infringement the Star Trek producers didn't show any atmospheric displacement.
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Droppin' the Bucket! That was f'n epic moment!
 
I'm an old Star Trek and Battlestar Galactical fan. In this latest episode where they have the Enterprise warping into Kenfori's atmosphere is almost identical to the "The Adama Maneuver" from the last season of Battlestar Galactica. to avoid any infringement the Star Trek producers didn't show any atmospheric displacement.
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As far as I remember a nuBSG season 3 wasn't the last season of nuBSG - it had 4 seasons.
 
Pike isn't/didn't ignore M'Benga's confession. Pike is evakluatging it in context of everything surrounding it. Yes, the 'Letter' of Federation Law and Star Fleet regulations would see M'Benga prosecuted and imprisioned for it BUT:

- Pike understands that Dak'Rah was a war criminal, as weel as a traitor to his own people and Starfleet and the Federation themselves are IGNORING that aspect of his past because he serves a useful purpose. (Remember that Star Fleet sent a Special Operations team to kill Dak'Rah becausae of his actions and the Brass hoped M'Benga would participate, but he didn't and that mission failed.

- Pike sees that the Klingon Empire wanted Dak'Rah dead for being a traitor; and the Klingon Empire wasn't sending its soldiers after M'Benga for any retribution - rather Dak'Rah's own daughter is wanting to engage and kill M'Benga because her Klingon Family's Honor has been destroyed, and by the Klingon's Honor Code to erestore it she eother had kill Dak'Rah herself OR killm the person who actually killed Dak'Rah.

Pike knows M'Benga's service history, so he understands and accepts what M'Benga did in SNW S2 E8 Under The Cloak Of War. Hell, I believe Pike trhought M'Benga did decide to and killed Dak'Rah when Dak'Rah himself confrnted M'Benga the way he did. Remeber M'Benga didn't just launch into a rage and murder Dak'Rah; M'Benga gave that Klingon a couple of chances to walk away before Dak'Rah effectively threw himself at M'Benga. There was also the fact that Dak'Rah SAW that Dr. M'Benga had kept the knife that Dak'Rah had left behind (but Dak'Rah had never told anuyone that); and realized M'Benga could wreck Dak'Rah's Federation career IF M'Benga revealed that fact and the knife was anallyzed.

(IE - I'll posit that Dak'Rah, once he knew the above was either going to get M'Benga to join him as his partner in the diplomatic core OR failing that get and allow M'Benga to murder him as Dak'Rah himself realized he waqs too much a coward and could bring himself to commit suicide; so yeah, M'Benga was Dak'Rah's own too for effectively killing himself.)

I don't believe Pike ever felt that waht M'Benga did was morally ambiguous - M'Benga was in a way forced to finish a personal (and sanctioned) mission he took upon himself during teh Federation/Klingon War once he waqs effectively offered the chance to do so.


JJ Kirk's actions againt Nero's crew in ST09 aren't morally ambigous either. Nero and his crew WILLFULLY destryed the planet Vulcan itself and killed every Vulcan still on it. (They also killed the crews of an entire Klingon Fleet - but again, I doult the Star Fleet Admiralty would shed a tear for that action.)
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So again, I've no problem with cheering Kirk on as Nero deserved what he got as did the crew who willfully followed a illegal and genocidal order.


So JJ Kirk is no different than prime Kirk (who if he didn't have Spock beside him or bailing him out of some really crazy ideas and plane he undertook, would have been dead or sutting court martialed in a Federation prison before the successful end of his original 5 year mission.)


M'Benga's trugthful confession would be enough IF he he gave it in a Court of Federation law; which he might have done (since he is still conflicted about it himself); and probably woujld be put before such a Court IF Pike ever reported said confession to Star Fleet and Federation authorities; but that isn't going to happen as Pike said what he would report (if he made one) was that he saw his friend LIE tom a Klingon soldier to save Pike's life as said Klingon WAS holding a knife to his throat and the only way she would let P{ike go is if M'Benga admitted to killing Dak'Rah and fought her in ritual combat.
Yes I get that some people will cheer on these things but the general point of Star Trek, repeated several times, is that Starfleet captains should try to be above that, that they are better than weaker men like Bailey and Stiles or better than fascist ideology. Yes, it is possible to rationalise and justify such actions as summary justice for crimes they definitely committed but if the Federation only has the death penalty for disobeying orders (yeesh - Americans) then this would still be wrong.

I do agree that if M'Benga had capped off the episode with something ambiguous, like, "I told her what she needed to hear," it would have sat better with me.
 
I do agree that if M'Benga had capped off the episode with something ambiguous, like, "I told her what she needed to hear," it would have sat better with me.
Dr M'Bbenga is being 100% honest in admitting to both Captain Pike and the Klingon that he killed Dak'Rah; and Pike fully realizes that.

Pike is just responding to M'Benga's question of, " Now that you know would you report it to Starfleet?"; and is being honest in that even if he did report it that was how he would report it, that M'Benga was telling a story to the Klingon (even though Captain Pike knows it's not the case.)

I really enjoyed how both characters dealt with this situation. It was completely honest totally relatable, and 100% human.
 
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To me, there's a big difference between a Starfleet officer willfully ignoring an order they know to be immoral from a "badmiral" or whatever, versus just going rogue and doing whatever the hell they want.

The former shows moral leadership - that despite the high regard the officer has for the chain of command, some orders go too far, and you need to take a public stand against authority.

The latter is just trusting that your own personal sense of right/wrong trump anything else. You don't even have the bravery to check in with HQ and tell them you're defying orders. You're just doing it on the sly.

Going further with this, every time that we've seen Pike buck official orders, it's been for a crewmate/friend, or the woman he's dating. It's not that he doesn't have principles beyond that. But we've not seen those principles put to the test unless it's wrapped up in something personal. Which makes it seem like the moral is the Magic of Friendship trumps all. Which is a pretty startlingly juvenile take for a show like Star Trek.
 
I'm not sure why people are objecting to the whole M'Benga situation so much given Worf literally hunted down and murdered the guy who killed K'Ehleyr to only a stern talking too from Picard.

And Jadzia hunted down and killed a whole bunch of people during that whole Albino situation.

And Sisko all but encouraged Worf to kill Gowron so Martok could take over the Empire.
 
I'm not sure why people are objecting to the whole M'Benga situation so much given Worf literally hunted down and murdered the guy who killed K'Ehleyr to only a stern talking too from Picard.

And Jadzia hunted down and killed a whole bunch of people during that whole Albino situation.

And Sisko all but encouraged Worf to kill Gowron so Martok could take over the Empire.
I just assumed in those situations that Starfleet had been informed (it would've been bloody hard to keep it a secret from them) and decided no further action was necessary, due to 1 and 2 being Klingon business, and 3 being Klingon business that was going to get everyone killed by the Dominion if it wasn't resolved quickly.

If M'Benga had admitted what he did, Pike had reported it to Starfleet, and they were the ones who decided to drop the matter, then that'd be a different situation.
 
To me, there's a big difference between a Starfleet officer willfully ignoring an order they know to be immoral from a "badmiral" or whatever, versus just going rogue and doing whatever the hell they want.

The former shows moral leadership - that despite the high regard the officer has for the chain of command, some orders go too far, and you need to take a public stand against authority.

The latter is just trusting that your own personal sense of right/wrong trump anything else. You don't even have the bravery to check in with HQ and tell them you're defying orders. You're just doing it on the sly.

Going further with this, every time that we've seen Pike buck official orders, it's been for a crewmate/friend, or the woman he's dating. It's not that he doesn't have principles beyond that. But we've not seen those principles put to the test unless it's wrapped up in something personal. Which makes it seem like the moral is the Magic of Friendship trumps all. Which is a pretty startlingly juvenile take for a show like Star Trek.
Kirk did exactly that for Spock in Amok Time.


But, this also presents a very black and white view of leadership and decision making, which is not always the case in ethical and leadership decision making.
 
Hey, I'm not trying to be sexist or anything like that. It was just a damn ugly hairstyle and almost surely a wig. A very bad wig.
The eyebrows don't help. When Rebecca Romijn first stepped on screen in the role way back on Discovery, she resembled Majel's Number One with dark hair and her own natural look.

Now the eyebrows and hair are really unflattering. Maybe the character is embracing the alien but this week it was distracting.

Other than that...solid horror episode with some good bits for M'Benga.

I'm happy to see Ortegas' PTSD fallout begin to take hold.
 
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