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Jayru (JSnaith's) 3D Trek

Glad to see the Oberth nearly done. Excited to eventually add her to my collection.

It's been quite the journey participating in the creation of the model
So far, one of my fav builds. When I started on the whole idea of scaling her up, I thought it could go in two directions - look stupid, or actually work. It's worked, and I'm happy with how she is turning out. Still stuff to do, but no more work will be done on her until at least tomorrow. Managed to sneak a few hours in this morning before everyone got up. My focus today has to be my partner and mum-in-law. A year is not nearly enough time to process everything.

More tomorrow.
 
Kruge’s gunner wouldn’t have one-shotted this ship.
Exactly.
The Grissom should have been so out of there by any rational definition. It may have been destroyed in the end, after a long and difficult battle, but...too many tropes are used as short cuts. This over use of short cuts indicates a lack of proper intelligence.

For example: the movie "The Age Adilane" ruined the movie for me, because that type of ending has been done too many times.
 
Exactly.
The Grissom should have been so out of there by any rational definition. It may have been destroyed in the end, after a long and difficult battle, but...too many tropes are used as short cuts. This over use of short cuts indicates a lack of proper intelligence.

For example: the movie "The Age Adilane" ruined the movie for me, because that type of ending has been done too many times.
There is a throwaway line in TSFS where Kirk asks about the Grissom firing on them, so the Grissom and the Oberth, by extension, are armed. What with is a good question. Phasers, more than likely. Some sort of probe/torpedo launcher is logical for a science ship. So I personally don't understand how the Grissom was destroyed so easily. Maybe it was just a lucky shot on the gunner's part. But regardless, it was a story plot point to show how little the Klingon's cared about life. Nothing in the film gave us a clue to the size of the Oberth or it's scale next to other Starfleet ships. The BOP was deliberately shown to be as wide as the Enterprise's saucer, much bigger than it would later be portrayed in later films and series, so by extension, the Oberth is bigger. This is my working out BTW, my opinion on the whole thing. The Apollo is the answer to the question of can the Oberth work as a ship. The answer is; scaled up, yes.
 
Meh, the Grissom got caught with their pants down. Didn't have time to do anything. Right after the BoP decloaked, the captain said "We're under attack. Stand by for evasive." Then boom. Movie-era ships didn't exactly respond quickly.

As for Kirk's line about Grissom firing on them, it's possible he's not familiar with Grissom's offensive capabilities. I'm not seeing any obvious phaser or torpedo ports on the studio model.
 
Meh, the Grissom got caught with their pants down. Didn't have time to do anything. Right after the BoP decloaked, the captain said "We're under attack. Stand by for evasive." Then boom. Movie-era ships didn't exactly respond quickly.

As for Kirk's line about Grissom firing on them, it's possible he's not familiar with Grissom's offensive capabilities. I'm not seeing any obvious phaser or torpedo ports on the studio model.
There is nothing on the studio model that indicates any type of weapon - BUT, one is seen at the Battle of Wolf359 (DS9 "Emissary") and another was seen to fire phasers at the Battle of Sector 001 (FC). You don't send unarmed ships into that sort of combat. These ships were fighting. Ok, so that's during the TNG era. Could these have been upgraded Oberth's the likes of which we never got to see close up? Possibly.

Starfleet knows that the universe is an unpredictable and dangerous place. I cannot see the logic in denying them any sort of defensive weapon, even during Kirk's era. As for the lack of details on the studio model, I think we can all agree that there are problems with it.

With regards to the Grissom, yes I agree she was caught unawares. It was a lucky (for the Klingon's) shot that killed her. Regardless, at the 250m scale, she's big enough to support some phaser banks and the logical probe-come-torpedo launchers. I've built a Science Cruiser, and maybe that's not a bad thing. Kruge would have an interesting time with the Apollo - but given how combat-oriented Klingon ships are, they possibly would have been able to overwhelm and capture her. But not without receiving a bloody nose in the process.

More later.
 
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