???? Luke looked significantly better in TBOBF.
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Anakin is a lot more than just a Jedi at this point, a is Yoda, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon.
Really though; how are we defining what it even is to be a Jedi in this time? The Order is gone, and any sense of formality along with it. The trappings and the ceremonies don't matter nearly as much as embodying what a Jedi is.
Does it really matter that Luke was never officially Knighted? I don't think anyone would credibly question that he became a Jedi the moment he threw away his weapon and declared it so. Similarly, Ahsoka finally truly became a Jedi when she chose to live and see herself as more than just a warrior paying an eternal penance for something that was beyond her control.
The irony with Ahsoka is that she had been 99.999999% of the the way there ever since she walked away from the Order (ironically the most Jedi thing anyone could have done under the circumstances.) Her final trial was as ever the trial of spirit. Facing the mirror. It took her decades to reckon with her feelings of self-doubt.
So basically; yes Ahsoka is a Jedi. Technicalities and semantics don't really enter into it.
I thought Leia's role in Obi-Wan Kenobi made perfect sense, the only way to get him active beyond Tatooine was to put one of the Skywalker kids in danger, and since he was keeping an eye on Luke on Tatooine and he would have been able to deal with any threats against him quicker, it made sense for Leia's kidnapping to be the thing to draw him off the planet.
Oh, my mistake. Oh he was on the episode focused on Din and Grogu, wasn't he? That must be where the confusion came from.
But wasn't that before her encounter was Anakin's ghost?
Not talking about how Luke "looked."
If I sign with the LA Dodgers and play with them for a few seasons, but then they drop me, I'm no longer a Dodger, even though I'm still good at playing baseball. Ahsoka isn't a Jedi and if you don't take my word for it, take hers. What part of, "I am no Jedi" is unclear?
That was ten or more years ago for her. She's moved past that by taking on Sabine as a Padawan (twice) and finishing her own training with Anakin Skywalker. She's Defacto a Jedi Knight now in the Galaxy that is even Farther Away.
The Jedi are not a baseball team. They're a religion.
I am an ex-Jehovah's Witness. A big part of what that means is leading my life in a way contrary to what they do. If I went right on proselytizing for them, it would kinda defeat the "ex" part, wouldn't it?
Despite her protestations, Ahsoka's still standing on the street giving out literature, for some reason.
Ahsoka is a Jedi in spite of herself. One of the greatest that the Order ever produced. Mace Windu was wrong when he said that being framed was Ahsoka's Jedi trial, Ahsoka's Jedi trial was Mace Windu's offer to return the Order. And she passed with flying colors by walking away.
"The sacred Jedi texts!"
Right. Her refusal to accept that she was a Jedi was tied up in her feelings of unworthiness; never mind the fact that she behaved more like a Jedi that most Order 66 survivors the whole way through the reign of the Empire. It's not an issue of skill or training, it's an issue of comportment and philosophy. She was forever motivated by a selfless need to help those in need. The Grand Inquisitor has a whole speech about this in the Kenobi show!
Indeed the character of Baylan Skoll partly exists just to highlight this trait; he's a deliberate contrast to Ahsoka. Someone that similarly left the Order (we still don't know the exact circumstances) and abandoned it's core tenets to forge his own path for good or ill. Ahsoka may have left the organisation but she remained true to what a Jedi is, despite her protests to the contrary. After all, Jedi isn't just a religious Order, it's a religion. A creed. Ahsoka may have questioned her faith in herself, and in the council, but she never questioned the will of the force whenever she felt it.
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I got the impression he didn't "leave" per se, it's just that he managed to survive Order 66 and escaped.
She follows a lot of the tenants for not being a Jedi.
Yeah, I'm... not a fan. It ultimately feels like she's only "not a Jedi" because it created a loophole through which she could survive Order 66.
I was ok with the sort of Jedi-adjacent space she existed in prior to her self-titled show. By the time she's taking (and REJECTING! Way to learn from what happened to you, kiddo!) a Padawan? What are we doing here?
Possibly not knowing any other way.
I like Ahsoka a lot. Kind of reminiscent of the question the Prophets asked Sisko, Why do you exist here?"
Despite Ahsoka's desire to do differently than her training she doesn't appear to have moved past the trauma of what the Order did or what Anakin became.
What loophole? A whole cruiser full of clones attempted to murder her to death. She survived because of Anakin; because her connection to him give her forewarning that something was up and put her on guard, and because Anakin specifically trained her for *years* to stand up to a barrage of blaster fire from multiple non-droid assailants. That's not a loop hole, it's circumstance.
See also: Yoda getting in that split-second of premonition before Gree blew his head off, because: Yoda!
It's called being conflicted, and it's been core to her character ever since she first showed up in 'Rebels'. We don't yet know the circumstances of her taking on Sabine as a padawan in the first place, but we know she bailed mostly out of fear. Fear that the loss of Sabine's family would start her down a dark path. Fear that Ahsoka would pass on the legacy of Vader and Tyranus. (Luke had a similar crisis with Ben Solo, only in that case it was already too late by the time he even noticed.)
Maybe after Malachor she thought she'd moved past it. Maybe she saw Sabine as a chance to do some good; something she could rarely refuse. Maybe she thought Sabine would make a better Jedi they she had been.
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The tenants: "Why is this chick always following us?"
That's exactly right.
Ok, but I'm allowed to not like it. I would have preferred her to do a different thing than "be a Jedi". (I feel the same way about Sabine.) They didn't go that way, but that doesn't mean I am obligated to cheer it on.
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