With all the Darksaber stuff, The Mandalorian (the show, not the guy) was emphasizing pretty hard that there was precedent for one person to be both a Mandalorian and a Jedi without renouncing either.
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Individuals are responsible for their own actions. If you were a true Star Wars fan, you would be familiar with this oft-repeated belief from the Jedi. Anakin was well into adulthood and was no isolated newbie sans awareness of what evil was as used by the Sith. Anakin was corrupt and made his adult decision to embrace evil. No one twisted his arm into attacking Mace to protect the personification of ultimate evil or instituting a program of mass murder.
Once again, no excuses.
In ROTS, Yoda and Mace both expressed doubts about the Prophecy in relation to Anakin, with Mace not trusting him at all, which goes back to the Jedi having longstanding doubts about him. They were correct in their concerns, but Yoda gave in to Obi-Wan honoring Jinn's last wish.
No, you are running around in circles, advocating a type of story that has no place in Star Wars, and to this day, you still continue to spin yourself into nonsensical positions standing on the opposite side of what the concept is about or represented, especially at its best.
"Mumbo Jumbo". That was the way you described the religious / spiritual foundation of the Star Wars concepts, which is fueled by a hardline, atheistic belief and agenda. If you do not want the charge to stick, do not push and embrace said agenda, but its far too late for you to spin your way out of it. Own it.
That's what Kamen Rider Blade is pushing...as unrelated to Star Wars as any ideal could be.
Even if that weren't the case; at this point what could anyone possibly come up with that wouldn't feel like a let-down? Some things are best left a mystery.
Agree to disagree, there are multiple reasons why things happen, it's not just always one person who's wholly responsible.
Yes, Anakin has his part in it, but there are others who are at fault as well. Especially the Jedi Order.
I'm familiar, I don't agree. There's a difference.
Again with this "True Star Wars fan" Gate Keeping non-sense.
Sorry, you don't get to be Gate Keeping Star Wars or ANY franchise for that matter.
He was 22 y/o, he wasn't a child, but still very young & immature as a young adult.
You only have to look at IRL to see how many young men around that age make horrible mistakes & horrible decisions IRL & cause massive damage because of their choices.
It's never that simple usually once you investigate into their background & what led these people to go astray & go off the deep end.
Again, Anakin was a "Man in Love", & willing to go to extremes to save his wife from danger.
He was thinking with his lower brain half the time.
But Mace Windu retracted his claims of "Arresting Palpatine", he literally changed his mind on the spot in front of Anakin.
Effectively proving Palpatine correct.
It was Check Mate at that point.
That was enough to trigger the trap that Palpatine set.
Again, you're a "Absolute-ist" about things & lack the ability to see things from a different PoV.
We're not getting anywhere.
We're going to have to agree to disagree.
Are you ready to move on?
Cause you aren't going to change my mind.
So what are you expecting to get by keeping up with this argument?
Yoda was the head of the Jedi Council, he could've done anything he wanted, including ignoring Qui-Gonn's last wish.
Says who, you?
Disney is more than happy to explore many types of story telling.
You might not be happy with it given your displeasure with what Disney has produced so far.
But at least they're trying to expand the types of stories told along with the ways to view the world.
And many fans are happy to see it.
If you were in charge, you'd regurgitate the same old thing, over & over.
I'm willing to expand the types of story that can be told and enter different stories within the same Universe.
I don't want to tread the story paths of the past.
You want to keep everything the same-ole formula.
Because I have a very different view on religion than you. My Buddhist upbringing doesn't view the same story through a Christian/Abrahamic Religious tone like you seem to view it.
Sorry, but different people get different things out of the same story.
You don't have to like it.
I own that it's "Mumbo Jumbo" to me, but it's not from a atheistic PoV, that's for sure.
You must have a very "Narrow Definition" of what Star Wars story telling can allow.
So borrowing & repetitive. Not willing to break new ground.
Wasn't he 18? I was still a putrid piece of shit back. Well, a larger putrid pile of shit...
Exactly.
He was 22 y/o back then during "Revenge of the Sith".
Cool. I was still a very large putrid piece of shit. It takes a long time to grownup. Hell, I still don't consider myself a grownup.
Exactly, many people don't realize how immature they are at that age until they're much older.
Therefore they should not be held responsible for genocide.
Therefore they should not be held responsible for genocide.
I didn't say that. My thoughts are the way the Jedi seemed to treat him, made them complicit in what he became. They seemed to spend a lot of time treating him like a doormat. At 22, if someone had talked to me the way some of them talked to Anakin, I'd have beat their asses. He felt resentment towards the Jedi that none of them seemed to notice. Which isn't surprising as they had their heads so far up their own asses that they couldn't tell when they were in a room with a fucking Sith Lord.
The Jedi have not aged well, in practice, in my opinion.
The Jedi haven't aged well since ROTJ in my opinion.
Exactly! How many times did the members of the Jedi Council, much less the Jedi Order, encounter Shiev Palpatine when he was pretending to be a "Lowly Senator", then becomes a "Chancellor" & not detect that something is wrong with him?
They had plenty of chances to figure out he's a Sith, yet nothing.
They literally found nothing.
Not until he wanted to reveal himself intentionally to Anakin.
And you have to ask yourself the question, "WHY ON EARTH, would he reveal himself as 'A Sith' to a member of the Jedi, much less Anakin SkyWalker?"
And nobody thought to ask hard questions about this.
"What does Shiev Palpatine gain by revealing himself?"
Logically he gains nothing by doing so.
The only reason he would do so is because, "IT'S A TRAP!".
But the other members of the Jedi Council are blind to see it.
Nope, they reacted with immediate "Action First, Questions Later" mentality.
And the Trap is Set, Check Mate.
He gains an apprentice. That is what he was trying to accomplish.
The problem is the lack of awareness, at least as the films present it. The Jedi leadership note that the power of the Dark Side surrounds the office of the Chancellor. In the novel they note the war as a Sith operation from the beginning, yet little seems to have been done in their investigation in to Maul's master before the war even started.
The Sith go from being a Babi Yaga to tell younglings about to a very real threat. They know there are two; the ROTS novel notes that the Jedi possess Sith holocrons captured by the Jedi. So, it's not like the Jedi are unaware of Sith rules.
Yet, they leave it aside, ignoring dangers left and right.
So much in the Prequels happens because people just do nothing. It's damn frustrating, it's not a good look for the guardians of "peace and justice" fail to keep the peace or provide justice.
It makes Obi-Wan look like a liar to Luke in the OT. There's no celebration of a Jedi returning if the Jedi are as ineffectual as the PT shows. And fuck that noise.
It's unfortunate because it makes the Dark Side look way too strong and that's not the main thrust of the OT.
The Sith go from being a Babi Yaga to tell younglings about to a very real threat. They know there are two; the ROTS novel notes that the Jedi possess Sith holocrons captured by the Jedi. So, it's not like the Jedi are unaware of Sith rules.
Yet, they leave it aside, ignoring dangers left and right.
So much in the Prequels happens because people just do nothing. It's damn frustrating, it's not a good look for the guardians of "peace and justice" fail to keep the peace or provide justice.
It makes Obi-Wan look like a liar to Luke in the OT. There's no celebration of a Jedi returning if the Jedi are as ineffectual as the PT shows. And fuck that noise.
It's unfortunate because it makes the Dark Side look way too strong and that's not the main thrust of the OT.
Yes we all know that, but the point was towards asking the rest of the "Jedi Order / Council".
They didn't bother to think beyond the obvious.
They're supposed to be the "LeaderShip" for the entire Order, yet they didn't have the wisdom to ask a simple question, & to think further, deeper into Shiev Palpatine's actions.
Well, except for the "extreme" of not choking her to death.
You know how (Fear/Jealousy/Distrust) can easily lead to Physical Spousal abuse IRL when it comes to Intimate Relationships.
It's no different in this case.
The only difference is you have one of the strongest Force User ever known as the "Secret Husband" of Padme.
The methodology might be different, but it's clear Domestic Violence; the major difference is Anakin was using "The Force" as it's methodology instead of physical contact.
Well, yeah. That's kind of the whole point the prequels are trying to get across, which Luke even spells out to Rey in The Last Jedi, that the Jedi Order became victim of their own complacency and hubris. They could not fathom the very idea that a Sith could operate in such a prominent position and directly in their own faces and therefore did not consider it a legitimate possibility, thus ensuring their own downfall as well as that of the Republic's.
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