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Spoilers The Controversial Star Wars Opinion Thread

Not all monastic orders train their disciples to be the best warriors in the galaxy and equip them with the best weapons in the galaxy. My point here is that you can't compare outcomes under different monastic orders, if the opportunities for their disciples to commit crimes aren't equivalent. What isn't being controlled for is the possibility that human nature might just be human nature, and that it's a reduction of opportunity to harm that reduces harm.
The Jedi Order numbered 10,000 Knights when it fell. That means in the last 1000 years they must have trained something in the order of 1-10 million. And of all of those, we only know of three for sure that became Sith, and of those three, only Anakin did the things that Vader did. But sure, this is clearly a wide-spread systemic problem, and Anakin was powerless to fight it! :lol:
 
The Jedi Order numbered 10,000 Knights when it fell. That means in the last 1000 years they must have trained something in the order of 1-10 million. And of all of those, we only know of three for sure that became Sith, and of those three, only Anakin did the things that Vader did. But sure, this is clearly a wide-spread systemic problem, and Anakin was powerless to fight it! :lol:
That's an entirely different point you're making here than what you said before. Much better.

But as far as crimes committed by Jedi, we saw in The Acolyte quite a bit of criminal activity involving murder and duplicity. Nothing on the level of becoming Sith, but still quite criminal. It makes one wonder how deep the problems actually run in the order.
 
According to Wookiepedia:

The Force - Powers & Abilities:



I would avoid the names of "Jedi/Sith" completely and use something else since their era is now over.
Their religious view on "The Force" is now a remnant of history.
It's time that new Force Religions & Views take over.

Force Usage is generally inheritable in most cases, in a worst case scenario, it skips a generation if you are using clones.
See Above for details.



Now imagine if all 10,000 of those Jedi Knights were in a different program / Force Religion.
One where they were allowed to have normal relations while learning & training in "The Force".

Then over 1000 years, there would be so many Force users, that it would be pretty common sight in the Universe to see "Force Sensitives".

In fact, it'd be so common, that people would WANT to marry into a Force Sensitive family so their children can benefit by having force powers.

It'd be highly desirable to marry into that type of family for all the abilities it could pass onto the next generation of children.
I'm sorry, but you're taking the wrong approach to this. You keep saying you want to contribute to the Star Wars Universe, but you're not talking contributing to it, you're talking about completely changing the entire approach that is taken to a core aspect of the franchise, and that's not something the people in charge are going to go for.
 
The Jedi Order numbered 10,000 Knights when it fell. That means in the last 1000 years they must have trained something in the order of 1-10 million. And of all of those, we only know of three for sure that became Sith, and of those three, only Anakin did the things that Vader did. But sure, this is clearly a wide-spread systemic problem, and Anakin was powerless to fight it! :lol:
Is this a similar question to why not get rid of Starfleet due to all the bad admirals 😉
 
I'm sorry, but you're taking the wrong approach to this. You keep saying you want to contribute to the Star Wars Universe, but you're not talking contributing to it, you're talking about completely changing the entire approach that is taken to a core aspect of the franchise, and that's not something the people in charge are going to go for.
You won't know until you try.

Did people think there would be a audience for "Andor" or "Skeleton Crew" or "Mando"?

Sometimes you have to try to find out if it'll work.
 
I imagine - if Qimir isn't later retconned as one of those 20 busts in the Jedi Archives - that Dooku may be the only one to become an actual Sith while the rest just simply vanished into the galaxy to start new lives. Qimir being added would require the Council to admit that Plagueis' apprentice around -132BBY be a former Jedi and Padawan of Vernestra, which I'm guessing won't happen so that the whole Master Sol/Osha/Mae scandal be kept as quiet as possible.
 
You won't know until you try.

Did people think there would be a audience for "Andor" or "Skeleton Crew" or "Mando"?

Sometimes you have to try to find out if it'll work.
Obviously they did since the made them, and none of them are anywhere close to the kind of massive change to the entire franchise that you're talking about. And they were also created by people who have a history with the franchise or working in similar franchises, Andor came from the guy who wrote Rogue One, Jon Watts & Christopher Ford were responsible for the MCU Spider-Man movies, and The Mandalorian is from Jon Favreau who did the Iron Man movies for Marvel & Dave Filoni.
 
What about Asaaj? I can't recall her story.
Yeah, I guess she counts as a former padawan given her training by Ky Narec, but I doubt Coruscant knew anything about it, for whatever that's worth. ( Though she was never technically a Sith in the sense of not being one of the two Darths. )
 
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Obviously they did since the made them, and none of them are anywhere close to the kind of massive change to the entire franchise that you're talking about. And they were also created by people who have a history with the franchise or working in similar franchises, Andor came from the guy who wrote Rogue One, Jon Watts & Christopher Ford were responsible for the MCU Spider-Man movies, and The Mandalorian is from Jon Favreau who did the Iron Man movies for Marvel & Dave Filoni.
Ok, but I'm trying to create a World setting where you would have plenty of "Force Users" amongst the population that it wouldn't be considered "Rare".
Eventually that you can some-what mimic aspects of IRL when you have such a high population of Force Users spread about the Galaxy that it isn't considered "Rare/Mythical" to the average Star Wars citizen.

You have a working World Setting to write all sorts of Stories between your beloved "Good vs Evil" storylines.

We're assuming that Rey SkyWalker will create some sort of new Jedi Order or some new Force Order.
As to what it'll be called, TBD.

But then there will eventually become giant swaths of Force Users amongst the population who are neutral or haven't done anything so they'll sit on the sidelines.

While a few Force Users will go off the deep end and do something horrible and require your protagonist to do something about them.

Ergo you have your classic "Good vs Evil" setup that you can keep on over time since you would have so many "Force Users" amongst the general populace.

This way you have a sustainable "World Setting" where you don't have to worry about "World/Galaxy Ending" problems like "A Death Star".

You can easily scale the stor back down and then slowly ramp up the stakes over time / movies / shows / episodes instead of jumping straight into a 'World Ending Problem' like "The Death Star".

Reset the stakes, reset the expectations. Make the Star Wars Galaxy feel a little bit more like modern life.
 
Is this a similar question to why not get rid of Starfleet due to all the bad admirals
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I wouldn't know. There's a reason I've mostly steered clear of most Trek discussions for the last decade and change! ;)
That's right, the only canonical Jedi-turned-Sith would be Qimir, Dooku and Anakin.
Even Qimir is still a bit of a question mark since we really don't know if he was ever Knighted, or if he was still a padawan when Vern tried to light-whip his spine out for being an evil git. It may sound like semantics (and to be fair it kind of is) but padawans aren't technically Jedis *yet*. I wouldn't be shocked if several Sith Lords over the years were recruited from the Order's rejects (see also: Ventress and Osha), but turning a Knight or a Master is a much bigger deal.

As for Dooku; as bad as he became I think there's a key difference is his fall vs. Anakin's. Dooku started down that path genuinely thinking what he was doing was in the best interests of the people of the galaxy, to save them from a broken and corrupt system, and he was right . . . at first. It's your standard "road to hell paved with good intentions" story.

Anakin's on the other hand began with a series of selfish decisions. From the very outset he was driven by pride and ego. Yes there was also the desire to do good, but it was all tangled up with his self-image of the dashing hero. The kind of hero that can't do any wrong because heroes never do the wrong thing, therefore everything he does as a hero must by definition be the right thing! He even tips his had at how cartoonishly he views the whole conflict in black & white terms when he tries to explain it to Ahsoka, and Padme has to very quickly shepherd her away from that line of thinking.
 
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