Spoilers The Controversial Star Wars Opinion Thread

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Ah, yes, the space fantasy with rocket ships, laser swords and magic should feel like modern life.


Well, that is definitely the most unique take I've seen on storytelling in a while. I applaud your unique vision.

How does At Atin look to you?
Space Suburbia looks pretty appealing, right?

Modern-ish looking IRL with a bit of Sci-Fi flare doesn't exclude Space Ships, Laser Swords, Magicks, or Force Power, all set within the same Star Wars Universe.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Damn, we're nerds.

And I suspect some of you have fallen to the Dark Side. Myself included.

They had cookies.

 

[cooleddie74]

And brownies. Special brownies.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

And brownies. Special brownies.

Don't forget the "Blue Milk".

 

[fireproof78]

Space Suburbia looks pretty appealing, right?

No.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

No.

You don't like suburbia?

 

[fireproof78]

You don't like suburbia?

I like it fine in real life.

The show's presentation is not one of comfort.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I like it fine in real life.

The show's presentation is not one of comfort.

Based on what we've seen, it's a company town. They're established there to work the mint. Speculation, but that seems to be the "Great Work."

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Again, the fans get to interpret it however they want, it's part of art. When you put it out there, not everybody has to agree with your interpretation or the creators interpretation.


Not everybody believes that the "Gray Jedi" are inane, the fact that there are people who care about it shows that we have our own following and group who prefer that interpretation.


You're not "The World". You are one fan who is dogmatically hard headed about pushing "This is the absolute Truth", spoken by Lucas and no other interpretation is allowed.


Yet your hard head-ness won't change other people's PoV. In fact it's going to push them away.


No, because success comes in various forms. There's a reason why Disney & other Studios prefer continuing existing IP instead of trying something new.

They want higher chances of success & continuing a franchise, no matter if it's lesser revenue than the original, is a better chance on turning a profit.

There's a reason why there is so much "Spin-off" content. The fact that there is a demand & continual production of Star Wars shows it's success.

You don't have to be a "New Record Setter" to be considered successful to the studios. It's a "Nice to have", but the odds are against you.

That's why they choose consistency over taking risks & starting new IP's.

Your definition & understanding of success is incredibly narrow; similar to a Gamblers Addict of "Go Big, do better than previously, or Go Home".

That's a VERY narrow view of how to success in Hollywood when it comes to franchising & sucess over the "Long Term".

We're getting more Star Wars Spin-Off & Derivative IP.

You can hate on it all you want, but it's coming out regardless of how you feel about the subject matter.

As far as Quality, that is subjective to each individual viewer. The value it brings depends on your interpretation as a individual fan.

Newer Productions have ever continuing higher Quality Production Values than older ones.

There are newer stories to tell that don't tread on the subject matter of old content.

For ones who value more content and not just rehashing the same thing, we are getting what we want.

You want to tell the "Same Old Story", other fans don't want that. That's boring.

Been there, done that.


Then where do you draw the line on Star Wars Media being created?
Should they stop according to you?
Because it seems like the only option to make you happy is to either Stop Making new content, or rehash the same old thing.
Cause you seem to hate everything outside of the original trilogy. More Specifically the original Star Wars.


You don't get to be the one who determines what is "Necessary".
You aren't the arbiter of All Star Wars Fans
You don't get to claim to be a "True Fan" either.
Everybody who likes Star Wars gets to participate in it.


Translation: You're a dogmatic "True Fan" and claims to know what's the "Correct Interpretation" about Star Wars, everybody else is wrong; your interpretation is the "ONLY CORRECT" interpretation IYO.


Their environment also matters, the context, the situation. It's not as simple as you try to make it.


His mother ceased being a influence when the Jedi Order took him away as a young child.

The loss of his mother became a reason why he was driven to protect others with any means possible.


The Jedi Order failed to give him the security he needed to allow him to focus on the greater picture.
Such simple things should be evident, but it's not to them.
The needs of normal people matter, and Anakin was closer to being a "Normal Person" then being a "Dogmatic Follower of the Jedi Code".


You mean, Anakin was a normal person, with Super Force Powers.
And the Jedi didn't seem to make any special concessions to help him adjust, despite knowing about his attachments & his need to be a "Normal Person".

They let Jedi Master "Ki-Adi-Mundi", who sits on the Jedi Council, be married to multiple wives & have children.

They couldn't make a special exception for "Anakin" who is far closer to a "Normal Person"?

That seems incredibly hypocritical of their moral structure & shows inflexiblity of the Jedi Order.


Anakin was a young man in love, worried about his wife & his mother.
Those are very normal things.
Apparently you seem to lack the ability to understand Anakins Human Side and think he should be some "Perfect Jedi" who follows the Jedi Code like a Robot.
The man is human, he is fallible, but he has his needs.


He was in the thick of things, just like the rest of the Jedi. They were still figuring out the pieces.
It wasn't until Chancellor Palpatine revealed his identity, that they had hard evidence to go with.


He also asked Mace Windu to follow the rules set by the Jedi Council.
He asked him to "Arrest Palpatine", some how Mace Windu arbitrarily changed his mind and decided to become "Judge Dredd" all of a sudden.

Moronakin only wanted Mace to arrest Palpatine because---what was it? "I need him", which all goes back to Anakin being incredibly ignorant and corrupt because he knew Palpatine was behind the entire war, which included attempts on Padme's life, yet the fool still thought that same man was going to help him save her.

I can say the same about you.

You never had a point. You posted an agenda based on your attempt to steer a space-fantasy deeply rooted in a religious / spiritual story toward your atheistic desires. Star Wars--the concept which defines the franchise and its cultural identity--will never become some watered down space production, or The Next Generation.

@Kamen Rider Blade, when King Features refused to let George Lucas make the Flash Gordon movie he wanted, he took his ideas and made something new. You might be better served following that example. These are supposed to be morality tales for adolescents, and your version has a whole screed about polygamous breeding cults and "heroes can be half evil, as a treat".

Quite bizarre.

You can just go make your own space fantasy with that stuff, it's allowed.

Well put, but he's operating from an agenda which resents the heart of the Star Wars concept, so he's not going to be satisfied creating his own fantasy.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Moronakin only wanted Mace to arrest Palpatine because---what was it? "I need him", which all goes back to Anakin being incredibly ignorant and corrupt because he knew Palpatine was behind the entire war, which included attempts on Padme's life, yet the fool still thought that same man was going to help him save her.

He's a "Young Man in Love" & worried about his Wife. It's almost like you forgot what it's like to be "Young & In Love".
The foolish things you do when you're that age.

You never had a point. You posted an agenda based on your attempt to steer a space-fantasy deeply rooted in a religious / spiritual story toward your atheistic desires. Star Wars--the concept which defines the franchise and its cultural identity--will never become some watered down space production, or The Next Generation.

And again with this "Non-Sense" of "Atheiestic Desire". I'm a freaking Buddhist since I was a kid. Yet you're calling me a "Atheiest"?
What utter non-sense from somebody who can't see things beyond his own narrow interpretation of art & wants to "Gate Keep" Star Wars to be his little view point on how "It should be".
As a self called "TREK_GOD", what do you have against TNG?

Quite bizarre.

You wouldn't get it, you lack imagination to see things a different way.

Well put, but he's operating from an agenda which resents the heart of the Star Wars concept, so he's not going to be satisfied creating his own fantasy.

If I resented Star Wars, I wouldn't even want to participate it.
Another false notion created by somebody who wants to Gate Keep Star Wars.

 

[Reverend]

What about Asaaj? I can't recall her story.

In a nutshell. Basically; she was a bokken trained padawan. She never completed her training, and fell to the dark side when her Master was killed.

And there's the other "lost 20" that left the Order. What became of them?

Well . . . they were lost!
Seriously though, all that means is that they were Masters (not just Knights or Padawans) who chose to leave the Order (mostly through disillusionment of one kind or another), with Dooku being the 20th. We know from stories set later in the timeline that Keeve Trennis is almost certainly one of them, but as of the current High Republic stories, that hasn't happened yet so the details are unknown, but implied to be tragic.

Eeth Koth is I think technically the 21st "Lost Jedi" (so far as we know) as he left right near the end of the Clone Wars. There could be others though, given how polarising the war was.

While it's not impossible that some of them ended up being Sith Lords, (and indeed a near certainty if that list covers the entire history of the Order) it's also possible most of them simply left, and walked the path of the light side on their own terms. Also, I'm not sure if that list is only meant to include those Masters that left peacefully, not those that fell to the dark side. It would make sense that there would be a distinction between "lost" and "fallen". If so, then Pong Krell would fall into the later category, and Dooku would be retroactively removed from the former, probably making Koth the actual 20th "Lost Master".

 

[Booji]

Krell came close to Sithing out, but not quite.

 

[Reverend]

Krell came close to Sithing out, but not quite.

Well he was certainly filling out an application form, though from the perspective of the Jedi, whether one of their own actually gets formally taken on as a Sith apprentice or not is rather immaterial when deciding whether or not they are lost and/or fallen. He fell to the dark side and betrayed the Order. Anything else beyond that point is academic.

 

[BillJ]

And I suspect some of you have fallen to the Dark Side. Myself included.

Fallen?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Fallen?

I just typed “Dark Side” into Google Maps and followed the directions.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

He's a "Young Man in Love" & worried about his Wife. It's almost like you forgot what it's like to be "Young & In Love".
The foolish things you do when you're that age.

Pick a BS excuse: on the one hand, you attempt (and fail) to blame the Jedi for Anakin's corrupt, idiotic nature, then you shift to saying he was a young man in love which--ultimately--motivated his tuning into a mass murderer (which no sane person would ever use as justification for his life of evil).

As noted yesterday, Anakin was ignorant and corrupt to jaw-dropping levels because he knew Palpatine was behind the entire war, which included attempts on Padme's life, yet the fool still thought that same man was going to help him save her, and helped to slaughter the innocent & subjugate an entire galaxy.

No excuses...or yours are simply without merit or substance.

I'm a freaking Buddhist since I was a kid. Yet you're calling me a "Atheiest"?

You can call yourself whatever you want, but you have taken a hardline, anti-religious / spiritual position throughout the this discussion, and were quoted several times about said position. You were the one constantly trying to push your atheistic position into Star Wars, infamously referring to the Jedi / religion and spirituality as "Mumbo Jumbo".

Too late to squirm out of the very reason you've taken this never-going-to-work position. Own it.

You wouldn't get it, you lack imagination to see things a different way.

To quote the following reply to you again:

These are supposed to be morality tales for adolescents, and your version has a whole screed about polygamous breeding cults and "heroes can be half evil, as a treat".

You can just go make your own space fantasy with that stuff, it's allowed.

Star Wars was never created to be twisted to fit your agenda. You are free to create some fictional world of your own.

 

[Campe]

Or write fanfic about it.

The truth of the matter is LFL or Disney are in the business of one thing: making money through entertainment. I have no personal issue with polygamy. What you do in your bedroom is your business. Not mine. Or anyone else's, really. But others don't necessarily feel that way. And as we all are aware, same sex relationships in Star Trek set off a considerable part of that fanbase. And that has become largely more normalized in society. Polygamy has a stigma in some groups that would likely cause backlash beyond all backlashes. They have to do what will make them the most money by entertaining the most people.

I'm sorry, but it's just not going to happen right now.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Pick a BS excuse: on the one hand, you attempt (and fail) to blame the Jedi for Anakin's corrupt, idiotic nature, then you shift to saying he was a young man in love which--ultimately--motivated his tuning into a mass murderer (which no sane person would ever use as justification for his life of evil).

Again, you blame it on him alone, when there are extenuating circumstances to why he fell.
We've already gone through this, but you treat it like the Jedi are free from their screw ups when it comes to raising Anakin.

Children that grow up, they are a reflection of their Environment, their Parents|Guardians, their Teachers & what they Learn or not learn from it.
His environment completely screwed him over and they didn't make special changes for his needs.
This is why he turned out the way he did.

You ABSOLUTELY can't see beyond your hatred & desire to blame Anakin as the sole reason.
Reality is never as simple as you would like to portray it.

As noted yesterday, Anakin was ignorant and corrupt to jaw-dropping levels because he knew Palpatine was behind the entire war, which included attempts on Padme's life, yet the fool still thought that same man was going to help him save her, and helped to slaughter the innocent & subjugate an entire galaxy.

Again, you call him that, the Jedi Order didn't see Anakin as that.
Otherwise, why would they continue raising & training him since he was a kid?
Why would the wise & mighty Jedi Order continue using him in the field if he was such a bad person?

No excuses...or yours are simply without merit or substance.

You're simply stubborn & hard headed

We're getting no-where, just running in circles.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on Anakins interpretation.

Are you ready to move on, or do you want to continue arguing in circles?

You can call yourself whatever you want, but you have taken a hardline, anti-religious / spiritual position throughout the this discussion, and were quoted several times about said position.

You're the one who claims I'm Anti-Religious/Spiritual Position.
I'm Anti-(Your PoV) on the matter and don't believe in the way you interpret "The Force".
There are ALOT of other Religious Sects with different views on "The Force".
And your stubborn adherence to either the Jedi/Sith dichotomy is old & outdated.

In the current canon during Rey SkyWalkers time,
The Last of the Jedi old guard are long dead.
The Last of the Sith "Rule of 2 era" are dead again!

You can tell new stories using different interpretations of "The Force".
You don't have to like it either. Star Wars canon will keep moving on, telling stories you might or might not like.
It's up to you to be open minded or close minded about it.

I believe that Potentium would be superior interpretation of "The Force". I know you would hate that if that became the dominant new view on "The Force".
With Great Characters like Kyle Katarn & Revan who were both able to use powers that span both sides of the old fashion (Light/Dark)-side labels.

You were the one constantly trying to push your atheistic position into Star Wars, infamously referring to the Jedi / religion and spirituality as "Mumbo Jumbo".

You were the one labeling my position as "Atheistic". I just don't subscribe to your views on Spirituality.
Just because I don't follow a typical Christian View on things or any other Abrahamic Religion.
Doesn't mean my interpretation of things are wrong. It's just not Main Stream American views on Religion.
You just don't like it because I see the Jedi / Sith religion as "Mumbo Jumbo" from my upbringing / point of view.

Too late to squirm out of the very reason you've taken this never-going-to-work position. Own it.

You're just being stubborn about things. Move on with your life.

To quote the following reply to you again:

Star Wars was never created to be twisted to fit your agenda. You are free to create some fictional world of your own.

Star Wars is whatever the story authors & writer wants it to be.
As long as it gets published, it becomes part of the greater world of Star Wars.

There are plenty of content within Star Wars that you don't seem to like & constantly whine / complain about.

But it's there, it's part of either Current Canon or EU/Legends.

You can either learn to enjoy it for what it is, or continue whining like a Gate Keeper who only wants things to fit into your neat little box.

The Star Wars world will move on with out you either way.

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Or write fanfic about it.

The truth of the matter is LFL or Disney are in the business of one thing: making money through entertainment. I have no personal issue with polygamy. What you do in your bedroom is your business. Not mine. Or anyone else's, really. But others don't necessarily feel that way. And as we all are aware, same sex relationships in Star Trek set off a considerable part of that fanbase.

You mean the White Male Conservative Christian Star Wars Fanbase?

And that has become largely more normalized in society.

Yeah, we all know that.

Polygamy has a stigma in some groups that would likely cause backlash beyond all backlashes.

That's why I casted them as the successors of old Sith "Rule of 2" ideology, but with a bent towards more neutrality and more about surviving over time w/o causing needless wars/damage/destruction like in the past.
The average Protagonist would view them as "Enemies" or the "Antagonists" of the story since they don't follow the popular dominant view on monogamy being the way it should be.
They would be viewed as proper "Antagonists" in a world where there are forces who don't like them living a "Different Life Style" then the majority of folks who live a monogamous life style.
Something many in the audience can understand.

They have to do what will make them the most money by entertaining the most people.

I'm sorry, but it's just not going to happen right now.

We'll see. Time is very long and I'm a patient person.

 

[BillJ]

You mean the White Male Christian Star Wars Fanbase?

Whatever you think of them, they largely drive ticket sales and merchandising. So, you do have to cater to them, to some degree.

Might want to ask what draws them to the material?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Whatever you think of them, they largely drive ticket sales and merchandising. So, you do have to cater to them, to some degree.

You don't think I don't know that?
That's why I casted my new "Rule of 2" as antagonists to be used in the universe moving forward.
It'll be far easier to find new "Force Users" to have stories to write about when they're plenty of them in existence.

Might want to ask what draws them to the material?

The Classic Joseph Campbell style story telling.
Having Clear Defined Heros/Villains.
Lots of Action & Adventure.