disagree completely on just about every bit, but its pointless to argue.
i don't think anyone would bat an eye if the entire show had mid 80s TSFS aesthetics throughout.
Which series would you want next?
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i don't think anyone would bat an eye if the entire show had mid 80s TSFS aesthetics throughout.
Yeah... no. I think I'd bat several eyes.
Just as long as nothing looks like anything in that bar McCoy went to.
Interesting you cite TSFS specifically, as about a decade ago I was watching that when someone walked in and laughed at the idea that "80s computer monitors could be considered futuristic." This was during the stealing the Enterprise sequence where we see the empty control booth in the Spacedock hangar bay. Indeed, a YouTuber's recent attempt to create a modernized CG recreation of that sequence omits the control booth completely.
And let's not even get started on how laughably dated and awful the Excelsior's bridge is in that movie. That definitely couldn't be passed off as a brand new starship bridge in a modern show.
The more I think about it, the more I realize that one of the reasons I like the idea of series set in the earlier parts of the timeline is that I've never really liked the look of the later 24th century, with its LCARS monitors. I much prefer the more tactile look of set designs from the earlier eras.
For example, I've always thought they knocked it outta the park with the NX-01. It managed to look like something believably in our future, while still being somewhat primitive.
This look is further expanded upon with ships like the Franklin and the Kelvin. More screens are added, but there's still a primitive YET futuristic look to everything.
This all leads perfectly into the Strange New Worlds Enterprise, which in my opinion has a perfect blend of futuristic touch screen interfaces and tactile buttons.
It's purely a matter of personal taste, I just feel it looks more interesting on screen than what we see later on in the timeline with LCARS.
For example, I've always thought they knocked it outta the park with the NX-01. It managed to look like something believably in our future, while still being somewhat primitive.
This look is further expanded upon with ships like the Franklin and the Kelvin. More screens are added, but there's still a primitive YET futuristic look to everything.
This all leads perfectly into the Strange New Worlds Enterprise, which in my opinion has a perfect blend of futuristic touch screen interfaces and tactile buttons.
It's purely a matter of personal taste, I just feel it looks more interesting on screen than what we see later on in the timeline with LCARS.
this, but nobody could go back to sth more primitive than kirk's triangular pads after everyone watching trek had one of those fucking smartphones in their pocket.The more I think about it, the more I realize that one of the reasons I like the idea of series set in the earlier parts of the timeline is that I've never really liked the look of the later 24th century, with its LCARS monitors. I much prefer the more tactile look of set designs from the earlier eras.
For example, I've always thought they knocked it outta the park with the NX-01. It managed to look like something believably in our future, while still being somewhat primitive.
This look is further expanded upon with ships like the Franklin and the Kelvin. More screens are added, but there's still a primitive YET futuristic look to everything.
This all leads perfectly into the Strange New Worlds Enterprise, which in my opinion has a perfect blend of futuristic touch screen interfaces and tactile buttons.
It's purely a matter of personal taste, I just feel it looks more interesting on screen than what we see later on in the timeline with LCARS.
and that's where the problem is with people demanding 'less advanced' hardware
Has anyone actually demanded less advanced hardware, or do they just want distinctive design trends reflected in the casings and consoles?
Star Trek isn't like Alien, there's no iteration of it that goes back to tiny flickery monochrome CRTs, they had a giant HD full colour screen at the front of the bridge in episode 1. Tricorders and communicators were always extremely tiny devices for what they could do. We're in no danger of catching up to Star Trek's technology in real life for a long while, aside from padds, and I'm sure TOS's bulky triangular padds are much more likely to survive being thrown across the bridge during a crisis than a fragile modern tablet.
Star Trek isn't like Alien, there's no iteration of it that goes back to tiny flickery monochrome CRTs, they had a giant HD full colour screen at the front of the bridge in episode 1. Tricorders and communicators were always extremely tiny devices for what they could do. We're in no danger of catching up to Star Trek's technology in real life for a long while, aside from padds, and I'm sure TOS's bulky triangular padds are much more likely to survive being thrown across the bridge during a crisis than a fragile modern tablet.
there is some argument to be made that our current intergrated circuitry and microchips is much susceptible to radiation and other issues then the old school vaccum tube and transisters we used when we went to the moon the first time. it actually makes some sort of sense to me, that the hardware we are using to explore space is more old school and heavy duty then the stuff we use day to day lives on a planetary surface.
i choose the search for spock because it is the last time we see 23rd century aesthetics untainted by 24th century designs and props.
i think the retro-view-of-the-future would be part of the draw (as do fans of a lot of other older sci fi properties)... i don't think there is anything inherently bad or old about the designs. so put a couple more interactive computer screens in there. whatever. lol.
i choose the search for spock because it is the last time we see 23rd century aesthetics untainted by 24th century designs and props.
i think the retro-view-of-the-future would be part of the draw (as do fans of a lot of other older sci fi properties)... i don't think there is anything inherently bad or old about the designs. so put a couple more interactive computer screens in there. whatever. lol.
Wasn't Voyage Home the last movie made before work started on Star Trek: The Next Generation, or is there something I'm overlooking?
Also no vacuum tubes in Star Trek please. I don't care what we thought we saw whenever someone opened up a maintenance panel on the TOS bridge, those were all extremely futuristic components far beyond our understanding!
Also no vacuum tubes in Star Trek please. I don't care what we thought we saw whenever someone opened up a maintenance panel on the TOS bridge, those were all extremely futuristic components far beyond our understanding!
I would reasonably expected supposedly future humans would have hardened the tech after so many years in space.
I would also expect production designers to craft something that reads as futuristic to a broad audience and not just people enamored with retro futurism as Trek fans might be.
I would also expect production designers to craft something that reads as futuristic to a broad audience and not just people enamored with retro futurism as Trek fans might be.
TVH was in the past and on the Klingon ship, so i didn't think it was a good example for TOS movie aesthetics for Phase 2 or 3.
i wasn't saying literal vaccum tubes, but using that as a real life example, and suggesting that there is an in-universe reason why ship-board designs would be older school than our current real life deisgns.
And, if they are futuristic beyond our understanding, then why does having an older aesthetic piss so many people off? lol.
It has to be believable.
I like how the TOS-style clipboard PADDs in SNW are largely copies of the TOS props from 1966-69, only with slightly more details if the camera gets a closer view of the prop. Same with the CRT-style desktop viewer on Pike's Ready Room desk. It's more or less a straight copy of the TOS desktop viewer, only a different color of external shell and a slightly less plastic look.
I have to be honest, the latest era of Star Trek shows have given me very little to complain about with any of its props over the last few years. In fact I'd go as far as saying they're typically really good!
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I think SNW has struck the right balance. Lines are familiar, details are better, capabilities better defined.
We can have earlier eras. The people with the problem should get over it and either enjoy it for what it is or move on.
I like people though, and I want them to be happy. Especially Star Trek fans, as we have a lot in common.
This, this right here. The whole idea of Star Trek is openness to new ideas, and explore how characters react to that new things. We have the old things. They are wonderful, enjoyable, entertaining and not going any where.
TOS remains my favorite for watching but SNW and Kelvin Trek for aesthetics. And who knows what new thing might draw me in further?
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