Which series would you want next?

[Daedalus]

This is why I find this particular forum so fascinating - what actually is the Future of Trek now? I'm not sure any of us have a clue. Only a couple of years ago, "nuTrek" was going great guns - it felt like we'd have a constant stream of new content. I'd have said Captain Seven was a shoe-in. It felt they were going for all-year-round ST. Now it feels really different. Is Academy and the half hour comedy really it with the occasional movie thrown in?

My guess is what happens next depends totally on how S31 performs - because that movie is the test of whether or not the one-off format performs well enough. If it performs - expect more movies with different one-off stories and/or sequels (I suspect Legacy might be a shoe-in for that). If it doesn't - thats that door closed.

My personal view is that SNW is going to end with S4. I just have this nasty feeling about it. My personal take would be that Legacy or similar should replace it - essentially something that takes the post TNG era forward. The TOS-ish era is done to death, but the 25th century has so much potential and the TNG era is where so much of the fanbase started it feels like more should be done with it.

Where does this fear come from? I've seen a few people say it, but as the flagship show, I feel like they'll attempt five seasons if it kills them.

I say "flagship" as its the only word I can use to describe it with. Neither SFA or Newsome's comedy can quite fit the bill, if you know what I mean.

 

[HotRod]

Only a couple of years ago, "nuTrek" was going great guns - it felt like we'd have a constant stream of new content. I'd have said Captain Seven was a shoe-in. It felt they were going for all-year-round ST. Now it feels really different. Is Academy and the half hour comedy really it with the occasional movie thrown in?

It still is doing pretty damn good. Especially considering the state of streaming across the board. Trek currently has at least 3 different series in some form of production or pre-production, plus a streaming film. By any metric, Trek is doing alright.

My personal view is that SNW is going to end with S4. I just have this nasty feeling about it

Why? It's the Flagship of the franchise and a hit with both critics and fans. More importantly, it got good ratings and routinely cracked the top 10 streaming show charts.

The TOS-ish era is done to death,

Hardly. Compared to the 24th century, they've barely touched that era.

but the 25th century has so much potential

Does it?

the TNG era is where so much of the fanbase started it feels like more should be done with it.

You say that TOS era has been done to death, but want more done with the era with over 600 episodes?

Something which fits in with the existing continuity.

Every series has fit within the existing canon. Certainly nothing produced in recent years has been any worse than the older series in regard to canon issues.

I want at least 20 "hour long" (40 minutes) episodes a year.

Not gonna happen.

but it needs to fit in the same universe and feature crossovers.

Like Strange New Worlds, Discovery, Lower Decks, Prodigy, and Picard?

 

[Tiran O'Saurus]

Not gonna happen.

No? That's just two seasons of ten episodes. I think we'll get that this year. (Discovery S5 earlier, and Lower Decks soon enough.)

 

[fireproof78]

The TOS-ish era is done to death, but the 25th century has so much potential and the TNG era is where so much of the fanbase started it feels like more should be done with it.

I really feel like TOS could have more.

We had TOS, and eventually Discovery, the SNW. So, three series.

TNG era: TNG, VOY, DS9, Lower Decks, Prodigy.

Which one had more done with it?

This is why I find this particular forum so fascinating - what actually is the Future of Trek now? I'm not sure any of us have a clue. Only a couple of years ago, "nuTrek" was going great guns - it felt like we'd have a constant stream of new content. I'd have said Captain Seven was a shoe-in. It felt they were going for all-year-round ST. Now it feels really different. Is Academy and the half hour comedy really it with the occasional movie thrown in?

When they are hemorrhaging money as a company things are going to get cut. It was impossible for the year round thing to happen, and Paramount pulled an Icarus.

 

[HotRod]

No? That's just two seasons of ten episodes. I think we'll get that this year. (Discovery S5 earlier, and Lower Decks soon enough.)

I was thinking along the lines of wanting a 20 episode season of a single show.

 

[Daedalus]

I really feel like TOS could have more.

We had TOS, and eventually Discovery, the SNW. So, three series.

TNG era: TNG, VOY, DS9, Lower Decks, Prodigy.

Which one had more done with it?

I guess if you take The Cage, DSC, SNW, TOS, TAS and the movies, you get a period of time spanning about 40 years from 2254 to 2293. Not counting gaps.

TNG, DS9, VOY, LD, PRO and PIC is about 40 years from 2363 to 2402. Again, not counting gaps

There's good reason to say that both have been done to death now, but I don't think we've seen the last of either.

 

[fireproof78]

I guess if you take The Cage, DSC, SNW, TOS, TAS and the movies, you get a period of time spanning about 40 years from 2254 to 2293. Not counting gaps.

TNG, DS9, VOY, LD, PRO and PIC is about 40 years from 2363 to 2402. Again, not counting gaps

There's good reason to say that both have been done to death now, but I don't think we've seen the last of either.

I would agree. I think there are other periods that could be explored, and I think we have a pretty robust offering for TNG, and a close second in TOS.

I would expect to see more from these eras because for many this defines Star Trek, or at least their first experience of it.

 

[Paul Weaver]

Like Strange New Worlds, Discovery, Lower Decks, Prodigy, and Picard?

Yes.

I don’t want reboots or multiverse. Make new characters and scenarios or build on existing ones.

 

[HotRod]

I don’t want reboots or multiverse.

Luckily, with the exception of the Kelvin films, there have been no reboots or multiverse series.

 

[The Wormhole]

Something which fits in with the existing continuity.

That's never been Star Trek's strong suit. Hell, I can't think of any long running show or franchise that has made continuity work.

on a similar theme - the drumhead. They used a chair from home depot I believe.

Poor example, The Drumhead was originally conceived as a budget saving episode because so many fourth season episodes were going over budget. There were even serious discussions about doing another clip show instead.

 

[oberth]

[x] none of the above

i'd like a series with totally new personnel; that includes no kids or grandkids of people we know

 

[Mr J]

Where does this fear come from? I've seen a few people say it, but as the flagship show, I feel like they'll attempt five seasons if it kills them.

I say "flagship" as its the only word I can use to describe it with. Neither SFA or Newsome's comedy can quite fit the bill, if you know what I mean.

I think its general cynicism about the state of play - and I think the news about S4 pretty much starting filming straight after S3 amplified the thinking. Its far from a certainty, but given the cost cutting going on it seems a reasonable fear to have.

 

[Mr J]

I guess if you take The Cage, DSC, SNW, TOS, TAS and the movies, you get a period of time spanning about 40 years from 2254 to 2293. Not counting gaps.

TNG, DS9, VOY, LD, PRO and PIC is about 40 years from 2363 to 2402. Again, not counting gaps

There's good reason to say that both have been done to death now, but I don't think we've seen the last of either.

I think my point about the TOS era feeling "done to death" is mainly down to the fact that we've now had 3 versions of the TOS Enterprise, 3 versions of the TOS main characters (if you include the Kelvinverse). Disco was a prequel to TOS (at first) - it feels like revisiting the past in this era, whereas continuing the TNG era feels like going "forward" in the timeline. This is why I personally feel that going into the 25th century etc feels like progression. To some extend the 32nd century era of Disco (and SFA) does as well - but my personal take is that era doesn't feel defined enough yet so it isn't my personal preference.

My point about TOS era being "done to death" may have been slightly misleading - I think my point is more about the sort of focus there has been on circling back to those TOS iconic characters and settings. We've had at least 3 iterations of that ship, that crew, that era now. Whilst in terms of duration the TNG/TOS eras are fairly well-matched, its often felt to me there has been a sort of flirtation with going back to those TOS characters more so than there has been with the TNG era, despite LD, Prodigy and Picard all sort of continuing it.

 

[HotRod]

I think its general cynicism about the state of play - and I think the news about S4 pretty much starting filming straight after S3 amplified the thinking. Its far from a certainty, but given the cost cutting going on it seems a reasonable fear to have.

Season 3 ended filming in May and Season 4 isn't due to start filming till sometime early next year. That's 7-8 months between filming. Hardly "straight after S3."

 

[Mr J]

Season 3 ended filming in May and Season 4 isn't due to start filming till sometime early next year. That's 7-8 months between filming. Hardly "straight after S3."

Granted there was a writer's strike too with previous gaps - but the point still stands. I don't think you can assume anything is off the table when it comes to what will happen here, given Discovery's last minute ending, LD ending, and Prodigy cancellation. Nothing is "safe". SNW is expensive. One could even suggest the early pick-up for S4 was due to them deciding already it was going to be the end. The truth is nobody can rule it in... but nobody can rule it out either.

 

[HotRod]

whereas continuing the TNG era feels like going "forward" in the timeline.

It all feels like going foward to me because it's still the future, regardless of what era they choose to focus on. The only thing moving into the 25th century means is we'll have yet another name for warp drive, yet another name for phasers and torpedoes, new uniforms, etc. It's the exact reason Braga didn't want to make another series set after Voyager.

 

[Mr J]

It all feels like going foward to me because it's still the future, regardless of what era they choose to focus on. The only thing moving into the 25th century means is we'll have yet another name for warp drive, yet another name for phasers and torpedoes, new uniforms, etc. It's the exact reason Braga didn't want to make another series set after Voyager.

Thats a valid take for you, for me narratively progressing the universe onward rather than going backward is more rewarding. Braga said that back when VOY ended. New writers, new creatives could add a lot to progressing that era and building on it - or we could keep recasting Kirk. I suspect this is whatever floats your boat.

 

[Daedalus]

I think my point about the TOS era feeling "done to death" is mainly down to the fact that we've now had 3 versions of the TOS Enterprise, 3 versions of the TOS main characters (if you include the Kelvinverse). Disco was a prequel to TOS (at first) - it feels like revisiting the past in this era, whereas continuing the TNG era feels like going "forward" in the timeline. This is why I personally feel that going into the 25th century etc feels like progression. To some extend the 32nd century era of Disco (and SFA) does as well - but my personal take is that era doesn't feel defined enough yet so it isn't my personal preference.

My point about TOS era being "done to death" may have been slightly misleading - I think my point is more about the sort of focus there has been on circling back to those TOS iconic characters and settings. We've had at least 3 iterations of that ship, that crew, that era now. Whilst in terms of duration the TNG/TOS eras are fairly well-matched, its often felt to me there has been a sort of flirtation with going back to those TOS characters more so than there has been with the TNG era, despite LD, Prodigy and Picard all sort of continuing it.

In the sense of recasting the same characters over again, I can see what you mean. There could still be mileage in having new characters in or around that era, or even as many years after as there has been since TOS aired. (A bit of a mouthful, but I guess that would be closer to a TNG prequel than anything else).

I'd be very happy to see a Captain Seven show, for what it's worth.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

How does an era feel "done to death"?

I can name probably 150 shows set in the era of "2020 to now" and they're still creating more. I don't think I've ever read a review of a series where it states "Another show set in 2024? This era has been done to death already!" But feel free to point out a review that proves me wrong.

You can take any 10 year span of Star Trek and have 200 different shows easily.

 

[cooleddie74]

The ENT/Earth-Romulan War/Birth of the Federation Era definitely feels "underdone to a fault."