Which series would you want next?

[Phoenix219]

TVH was in the past and on the Klingon ship, so i didn't think it was a good example for TOS movie aesthetics for Phase 2 or 3.

i wasn't saying literal vaccum tubes, but using that as a real life example, and suggesting that there is an in-universe reason why ship-board designs would be older school than our current real life deisgns.

And, if they are futuristic beyond our understanding, then why does having an older aesthetic piss so many people off? lol.

Then again, I am still waiting for a 1950s atomic era adaptation of Tom Swift, and think the aesthetics could absolutely be iconic if done right.

 

[Phoenix219]

and for people that say that TOS isn't a 60s period piece/TOS movie time frame isn't an 80s period piece, with comments regarding hair and whatever else; Trials and Tribblations disproves this with both visual and dialogue cues directly calling attention to things like the hair. They went out of their way to put a bunch of 90s actors in 1960s hair styles for a reason. The fandom explanation has always been that things like that are cyclical and make come backs. But now its all visual retcons and they never had 60s/80s hair?

nahhhhhhh.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Then again, I am still waiting for a 1950s atomic era adaptation of Tom Swift, and think the aesthetics could absolutely be iconic if done right.

I'm still waiting on a Captain Proton cartoon. Or if people really want a full reimagining of a classic era: Sky Captain Kirk and the Enterprise of Tomorrow. The ship's already half '50s flying saucer.

They went out of their way to put a bunch of 90s actors in 1960s hair styles for a reason. The fandom explanation has always been that things like that are cyclical and make come backs. But now its all visual retcons and they never had 60s/80s hair?

I can imagine folks on 2266 Internet forums complaining that 1960s nostalgia has been going on for too long and they wish people would move on to something new. "If 23rd century designers can't come up with anything new, they could at least be inspired by another decade, like the 1980s!"

 

[Phoenix219]

I'm still waiting on a Captain Proton cartoon. Or if people really want a full reimagining of a classic era: Sky Captain Kirk and the Enterprise of Tomorrow. The ship's already half '50s flying saucer.


I can imagine folks on 2266 Internet forums complaining that 1960s nostalgia has been going on for too long and they wish people would move on to something new. "If 23rd century designers can't come up with anything new, they could at least be inspired by another decade, like the 1980s!"

i'm not into the whole AI thing, but i can't say i'm not curious to see what it would produce from that criteria.......

 

[The Wormhole]

The more I think about it, the more I realize that one of the reasons I like the idea of series set in the earlier parts of the timeline is that I've never really liked the look of the later 24th century, with its LCARS monitors. I much prefer the more tactile look of set designs from the earlier eras.

Now you want to talk about futuristic ideas from yesterday that are laughably primitive today, LCARS is the text book example, particularly when compared to today's actual touchscreen interfaces. Not the point you were making, I know, but something I felt compelled to comment on all the same.

For example, I've always thought they knocked it outta the park with the NX-01. It managed to look like something believably in our future, while still being somewhat primitive.

Early 2000s was a great time for believable starship interiors in general, particularly with Enterprise, BSG and the Earth starships we saw in the Stargate shows.

This look is further expanded upon with ships like the Franklin and the Kelvin. More screens are added, but there's still a primitive YET futuristic look to everything.

The Kelvin's bridge, IMO was the perfect way to update the TOS look for a modern production. I was disappointed we only saw it for a relatively brief time in the movie or that the Enterprise's bridge wasn't more like it.

Has anyone actually demanded less advanced hardware, or do they just want distinctive design trends reflected in the casings and consoles?

By wanting faithful recreations of the TOS look, aren't you basically saying you want something more primitive? Much of what we see in TOS, its movies, TNG and the other 24th century shows is primitive compared to modern day computers, and the actual 23rd and 24th centuries are likely to be much more advanced looking. This was even reflected in the novels, specifically the Enterprise novels where they go on to provide an explanation to where they do the whole BSG thing of intentionally making their ships, computers and technology more primitive in order to effectively combat Romulan malware during the War.

i think the retro-view-of-the-future would be part of the draw (as do fans of a lot of other older sci fi properties)...

And, if they are futuristic beyond our understanding, then why does having an older aesthetic piss so many people off?

Such shows need to have mass appeal among general audiences in order to succeed. You're not going to get that my intentionally mimicking the 1960s or 1980s aesthetic of what was considered futuristic in something produced today that's supposed to be set in the future. Hell, even many amongst sci-fi audiences might overlook that. At most, you'd get a very small niche audience within the sci-fi fandom community to check it out, and that is not going to be enough to sustain such a show at all.

and for people that say that TOS isn't a 60s period piece/TOS movie time frame isn't an 80s period piece, with comments regarding hair and whatever else; Trials and Tribblations disproves this with both visual and dialogue cues directly calling attention to things like the hair. They went out of their way to put a bunch of 90s actors in 1960s hair styles for a reason. The fandom explanation has always been that things like that are cyclical and make come backs. But now its all visual retcons and they never had 60s/80s hair?

nahhhhhhh.

Trials and Tribble-Ations works only as a one-off nostalgic tribute piece. Even then, many of the decisions made there were necessitated by the fact they would be splicing the DS9 actors into actual TOS footage, so they tried to make it look as seamless as possible.

I guarantee, even in the 90s if they had done a TV series set during the TOS timeframe or before TOS it would not have replicated the 1960s look so faithfully, nor would they have tried for a 1950s pulp sci-fi theme if they were doing a TOS prequel.

 

[fireproof78]

and for people that say that TOS isn't a 60s period piece/TOS movie time frame isn't an 80s period piece, with comments regarding hair and whatever else; Trials and Tribblations disproves this with both visual and dialogue cues directly calling attention to things like the hair. They went out of their way to put a bunch of 90s actors in 1960s hair styles for a reason. The fandom explanation has always been that things like that are cyclical and make come backs. But now its all visual retcons and they never had 60s/80s hair?

nahhhhhhh.

Yes, to integrate with footage.

It's not a period piece because TOS era isn't a period. It's a 60s interpretation of the future. So, some tech understanding presented in TOS will feel very dated.

Now, if you want to create a timeline in which the 60s understanding of tech is how humanity goes forward then I think you can try to make it more appealing.

But, if it's supposed to be exploring our humanity exploring in space the retro vibe will not generate mass appeal. Trek fans seem to just want niche appeal.

 

[HotRod]

The Kelvin's bridge, IMO was the perfect way to update the TOS look for a modern production. I was disappointed we only saw it for a relatively brief time in the movie or that the Enterprise's bridge wasn't more like it.

Yeah, the Kelvin bridge was absolutely beautiful. I'd absolutely love an early Federation series to copy the look for their sets. We did atleast get to see the set used again for the Kobayashi Maru scene, albeit with a bluish hue.

Plus, I just found this pic of Kelvin bridge.

I love the look of the back-lit physical buttons.

 

[cooleddie74]

The Kelvin was almost a perfect midway point between ENT and SNW/TOS.

 

[morf]

I love the look of the back-lit physical buttons.

At first glance, I thought I was looking at a row of slot machines at a casino.

Where's the yeoman with my drink?

 

[Daedalus]

At first glance, I thought I was looking at a row of slot machines at a casino.

Where's the yeoman with my drink?

Down in engineering, sir, preparing it. Would you like a half or pint?

There will never be a day that someone will convince me that the above looks more advanced than below. It's just not happening guys, I really don't know what they were thinking.

At least for Into Darkness, they used the National Ignition Facility.

Points to Discovery too.

 

[fireproof78]

There will never be a day that someone will convince me that the above looks more advanced than below. It's just not happening guys, I really don't know what they were thinking.

They wanted a practical location instead of being confined to all sets.

 

[Phoenix219]

Yes, to integrate with footage.

It's not a period piece because TOS era isn't a period. It's a 60s interpretation of the future. So, some tech understanding presented in TOS will feel very dated.

Now, if you want to create a timeline in which the 60s understanding of tech is how humanity goes forward then I think you can try to make it more appealing.

But, if it's supposed to be exploring our humanity exploring in space the retro vibe will not generate mass appeal. Trek fans seem to just want niche appeal.

It has always been a timeline in which the 60s understanding of tech is how humanity goes forward. That was established with the existence of the original series. Its been updated since then, in later time periods in universe, so that progression still feels like progression. I'm truly not understanding the difference. Its not "our" humanity and never has been. This was also established as early as Tomorrow is Yesterday.

TOS may be a product of the 60s/80s, but it has always been a consistent in-universe period piece when referencing past eras. TNG also did this while referencing earlier eras.

 

[Phoenix219]

Now you want to talk about futuristic ideas from yesterday that are laughably primitive today, LCARS is the text book example, particularly when compared to today's actual touchscreen interfaces. Not the point you were making, I know, but something I felt compelled to comment on all the same.

Early 2000s was a great time for believable starship interiors in general, particularly with Enterprise, BSG and the Earth starships we saw in the Stargate shows.

The Kelvin's bridge, IMO was the perfect way to update the TOS look for a modern production. I was disappointed we only saw it for a relatively brief time in the movie or that the Enterprise's bridge wasn't more like it.

By wanting faithful recreations of the TOS look, aren't you basically saying you want something more primitive? Much of what we see in TOS, its movies, TNG and the other 24th century shows is primitive compared to modern day computers, and the actual 23rd and 24th centuries are likely to be much more advanced looking. This was even reflected in the novels, specifically the Enterprise novels where they go on to provide an explanation to where they do the whole BSG thing of intentionally making their ships, computers and technology more primitive in order to effectively combat Romulan malware during the War.


Such shows need to have mass appeal among general audiences in order to succeed. You're not going to get that my intentionally mimicking the 1960s or 1980s aesthetic of what was considered futuristic in something produced today that's supposed to be set in the future. Hell, even many amongst sci-fi audiences might overlook that. At most, you'd get a very small niche audience within the sci-fi fandom community to check it out, and that is not going to be enough to sustain such a show at all.

Trials and Tribble-Ations works only as a one-off nostalgic tribute piece. Even then, many of the decisions made there were necessitated by the fact they would be splicing the DS9 actors into actual TOS footage, so they tried to make it look as seamless as possible.

I guarantee, even in the 90s if they had done a TV series set during the TOS timeframe or before TOS it would not have replicated the 1960s look so faithfully, nor would they have tried for a 1950s pulp sci-fi theme if they were doing a TOS prequel.

a 1950s forbidden-planet style 22nd century would have been fucking AMAZING.

 

[fireproof78]

It has always been a timeline in which the 60s understanding of tech is how humanity goes forward. That was established with the existence of the original series. Its been updated since then, in later time periods in universe, so that progression still feels like progression. I'm truly not understanding the difference. Its not "our" humanity and never has been. This was also established as early as Tomorrow is Yesterday.

TOS may be a product of the 60s/80s, but it has always been a consistent in-universe period piece when referencing past eras. TNG also did this while referencing earlier eras.

It has been out humanity since the TOS era so that's the reference, not the 60s.

 

[HotRod]

It has always been a timeline in which the 60s understanding of tech is how humanity goes forward. That was established with the existence of the original series. Its been updated since then, in later time periods in universe, so that progression still feels like progression. I'm truly not understanding the difference. Its not "our" humanity and never has been. This was also established as early as Tomorrow is Yesterday.

TOS may be a product of the 60s/80s, but it has always been a consistent in-universe period piece when referencing past eras. TNG also did this while referencing earlier eras.

You can say it's not our future, but it's hard to believe when they constantly show their past and it's pretty much indistinguishable from our world. Star Trek IV was just San Francisco in the 80's. Voyager showed a 90's Los Angeles. Enterprise showed an early 2000's Detroit. Strange New Worlds showed a 2020's Toronto, with a new bridge. It might not be exactly "our" future, but it's pretty damn close.

 

[cooleddie74]

ENT even had Conan O'Brien as canon in Trek's 2004 Detroit!

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

ENT even had Conan O'Brien as canon in Trek's 2004 Detroit!

I dunno, they also showed mountains in the distance of Detroit so everything seen is already suspect.

 

[HotRod]

I dunno, they also showed mountains in the distance of Detroit so everything seen is already suspect.

Yeah, I should have put Detroit in quotations.

 

[The Old Mixer]

They wanted a practical location instead of being confined to all sets.

Maybe “practical location” and “FTL engine room” don’t mix.

 

[fireproof78]

Maybe “practical location” and “FTL engine room” don’t mix.

I'd say probably not. But it worked for me.

But, I would want a set in any future Kelvin films.