Alien, Predator, AvP (news)

[Mage]

Alien: Romulus director teases a possible new Alien vs. Predator movie

Alien: Romulus director Fede Álvarez teases a possible new Alien vs. Predator movie which he could co-direct with Dan Trachtenberg.

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Now THAT would be interesting. Not as a direct sequel to Romulus but definitely something I wouldn't mind seeing. This time, please don't set it on Earth. If there is ever going to be a AvP again it simply needs to include the Colonial Marines.

 

[Tosk]

I would hope that a new AvP doesn't happen for a good while. To jump back in that pool just as both Alien and Predator seem to be correcting course...

(My bias may be showing, I do not covet a new AvP no matter who makes it. That's not to say they can't make a good one.)

 

[Mage]

I would hope that a new AvP doesn't happen for a good while. To jump back in that pool just as both Alien and Predator seem to be correcting course...

(My bias may be showing, I do not covet a new AvP no matter who makes it. That's not to say they can't make a good one.)

Oh for sure. There is no desire to have one for me. However, two directors that both finally tackled both franchises very well, teaming up for an AvP.... I mean, there are worse idea's.

 

[xenotaris]

I am wary of a New AVP movie and I am huge fan of the Dark Horse AVP comics and the AVP2 Video Game that I played it to death and even wrote a fan novelization of it. But the AVP movies were disappointing, for me I absolutely hated the first AVP movie.

 

[Mage]

I am wary of a New AVP movie and I am huge fan of the Dark Horse AVP comics and the AVP2 Video Game that I played it to death and even wrote a fan novelization of it. But the AVP movies were disappointing, for me I absolutely hated the first AVP movie.

Funny, I thought that the first AvP in the longer cut was a lot less bad after seeing the sequel. Which just..... ugh. There were many concepts and idea's from the first AvP movie that I really enjoyed. It just was aimed at a PG13 audience which already tied it down too much. And again, the Earth setting....
If it was set in.... Let's say 30 or 40 years on a alien ice planet, you can already change so much. You can still tie the pyramid into it, with the idea of the Yautja having build them on Earth since we know they've been visiting Earth for centuries.

 

[xenotaris]

Funny, I thought that the first AvP in the longer cut was a lot less bad after seeing the sequel. Which just..... ugh. There were many concepts and idea's from the first AvP movie that I really enjoyed. It just was aimed at a PG13 audience which already tied it down too much. And again, the Earth setting....
If it was set in.... Let's say 30 or 40 years on a alien ice planet, you can already change so much. You can still tie the pyramid into it, with the idea of the Yautja having build them on Earth since we know they've been visiting Earth for centuries.

I just can't see the Yautja teaching any race to build, it just seems odd coming from a culture of xenophobic trophy hunters. Nor seeing a species adapted to hot weather running around in the cold with no cold weather protection

 

[Mage]

I just can't see the Yautja teaching any race to build, it just seems odd coming from a culture of xenophobic trophy hunters. Nor seeing a species adapted to hot weather running around in the cold with no cold weather protection

Those are both fair points, that I can agree with.

 

[valkyrie013]

So.. thought crossed my mind..
LV 422.. promethius planet.. is still there.. and the company knows where it is.. why not go back?
Same with LV 426.. in the original alien.. they home in on a beacon.. and undoubtably they ship sent back information on where they landed etc..
So.. why wouldnt the company follow up on.. well everything? Not like the movies went scorched earth and left nothing behind (well maybe Aliens) ?

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Bring in Linn Kurosawa for AvP and I'm there.

 

[xenotaris]

So.. thought crossed my mind..
LV 422.. promethius planet.. is still there.. and the company knows where it is.. why not go back?
Same with LV 426.. in the original alien.. they home in on a beacon.. and undoubtably they ship sent back information on where they landed etc..
So.. why wouldnt the company follow up on.. well everything? Not like the movies went scorched earth and left nothing behind (well maybe Aliens) ?

Actually it was Lv-223. Sorry, huge Alien Nerd here. Just got back from watching Alien Romulus. Awesome movie.

I've wondering that myself when writing my own unified canon for AVP.
You still have the black goo on LV-223 and you (might) still have xenomorph eggs on LV-426.

 

[xenotaris]

Bring in Linn Kurosawa for AvP and I'm there.

Yes and Machiko Noguchi too

 

[Mage]

Predator: Badlands Filming In New Zealand – Story Synopsis & Lead Character Spoilers! - Alien vs. Predator Galaxy

The first major details about the upcoming Predator: Badlands film have been indirectly leaked! A casting call page on JessicaShermanCasting.com has published details regarding the story about a mystery film, codenamed Backpack, currently filming in New Zealand. The page mentions the studio is...

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[JD]

Does the two sisters being included under the same casting entry mean they're pulling an Acolyte and they're twins played by the same actress?

 

[fireproof78]

Pulling from the General Trek forum quotes

I'm curious what part of ALIEN, you do not like beside the title?

Oh, yeah I can see where that is a problem for some folks. I'm okay with horror since I was practically raised on Monster movies, my favorite movie series besides ALIEN is Jurassic Park.

Also I watch a lot nature documentaries and there is a lot of body horror in the natural world, especially when dealing with insects and deep sea life

I agree, horror is not everyone. I like the horror genre but only if its a creature feature aka Monster movie. I hate slasher flicks. I'm okay with zombies, vampires, werewolves, mutant plants, killer dinosaurs, kaiju, cosmic horror eldritch abominations, and monstrous aliens.

Yeah, Nerys and Richard are spot on with my general dislike of dystopia and horror. Horror is generally not my genre, though I do like classic monster stories like Frankenstein, like the Mummy, or Dracula. And I thoroughly enjoyed Jurassic Park. But, Alien is too frustrating because it's a nearly unstoppable monster with no rules or limits until one person defeats it temporarily.

I love nature and studying the ideas of alien life, but things that are just unstoppable are not interesting to me.

 

[Set Harth]

Temporarily?

 

[fireproof78]

Temporarily?

As in the monster comes back, the evil never dies, the threat is gone for now. That stuff.

 

[xenotaris]

Pulling from the General Trek forum quotes



Yeah, Nerys and Richard are spot on with my general dislike of dystopia and horror. Horror is generally not my genre, though I do like classic monster stories like Frankenstein, like the Mummy, or Dracula. And I thoroughly enjoyed Jurassic Park. But, Alien is too frustrating because it's a nearly unstoppable monster with no rules or limits until one person defeats it temporarily.

I love nature and studying the ideas of alien life, but things that are just unstoppable are not interesting to me.

Actually the xenomorph was made to end the unstoppable monster trope. The xenomorph is indeed killable but its acidic blood makes it too dangerous to kill onboard a spaceship. Unless you lure it into an airlock.

In ALIENS the Colonial Marines have no problem killing a xenomorph outright with their Pulse Rifles and Smartguns. Its just the xenomorphs had numbers on their side and the nature of their hive structure allowed the xenomorphs extra cover from the marine's weapons. But put a xenomorph out in the open field, they are much easier to deal with.

List of xenomorph deaths.

ALIEN: The xenomorph Big Chap/Kane's Son is jettison out of the airlock from the Narcissus lifeboat. It is propelled from the engines and technically did survive the vacuum of space until being truly killed off in Alien Romulus

ALIENS: Several Xenomorph Warriors are killed directly by the Colonial Marines, their Sentry Guns, Ripley running one over with the Marine's APC, the stowaway xenomorph more than likely died in the dropship crash after killing its pilot. Ripley destroyed several Ovamorphs (xeno eggs) and facehuggers while rescuing Newt. And finally the Xenomorph Queen is blow out of the dropship bay, presumably to fall back into Lv-426's atmosphere to burn to death and since xenomorphs hate fire... you get the picture.

ALIEN 3: The Xenomorph Runner may seem unstoppable but due to the lack of firepower it was free to kill anything in its path. Until they trapped it and dumped molten lead on it. Yes it survived until the cold water sprinkled on its carapace which caused it to explode. Its clear the xenomorph didn't survive that.

Ripley kills herself along with the Queen Chestburster as they fall into a massive burner.

ALIEN RESURRECTION: Several clone xenomorphs are gun down by the protagonists. The cloned xenomorph queen is killed by the Newborn hybrid. The Newborn hybrid is killed by clone Ripley. The rest of the cloned xenomorphs die aboard the Auriga when it explodes in Earth's atmosphere.

ALIEN VS PREDATOR: Several Xenomorphs are killed by Yautja (Predators) in the backstory with just simple spears and their plasma casters. Several xenomorphs are single handily killed in the present by Scar (Predator protag) via Plasma caster, Shuriken, and Spear. Lex (the human protag) kills a xenomorph with a Spear and another with a laser gun.

ALIEN VS PREDATOR REQUIEM: Several xenomorphs are dispatched with 20th century era weapons. Wolf (Predator protag) kills xenomorphs with plasma caster, plasma shotgun, spear, blue dissolving solution, serrated whip, and shuriken. The rest the xenomorphs are nuked to death since there was alot of xenomorphs.

PROMETHEUS: This movie doesn't help my case since none of the xenomorph-related creatures ever died to unnatural causes. Hammerpede kills one guy then flees, never to be seen again. The deacon bursts out of the Engineer and never encounters the main characters because they already left the planet. However the Fifield Mutant does get killed after getting shot, set on fire, and ran over to death. The Engineer gets facehugged by the Trilobite.

ALIEN COVENANT: Xenomorph-related Neomorph gets shot to death by a human. The other Neomorph gets killed offscreen by the Praetomorph (David's attempt at making a Xenomorph). The first praetomorph gets crushed by a mechanical claw and the second one gets impaled by a forklift then sent plummeting towards Planet 4's atmosphere.

ALIEN ROMULUS: The Alien from the first movie survives only to be awakened, cause havok on the space station before getting killed permanently. Several cloned xenomorphs are killed by the protagonists via gunfire. The Offspring Hybrid is ripped apart by the planet's ring debris.

As you can see the Xenomorphs are definitely are not unstoppable. They can be killed.

 

[fireproof78]

As you can see the Xenomorphs are definitely are not unstoppable. They can be killed.

I did say nearly unstoppable. And, to be fair, I have not watched passed Alien 3 because the whole death there pissed me right the fuck off. The deaths of the monster always come at a ridiculously high price or body count. It's damn frustrating.

But, more than that, its just the atmosphere. It's the complete and totally unlikability, horror stalker atmosphere I cannot stand in it's presentation. Everything is wet, and haunted house styling in its portrayal.

There's never more to the Xenomorph, except the morph part. The Queen is just bigger. It's all just for the sake of creepiness. And, frankly, real life has enough creepiness for me not to go seek it out in fiction.

ETA: I don't wish to sound argumentative. I appreciate your passion for the franchise and while I'm doing my best to articulate it part of it is simply the creepy factor. I saw the film with my dad as an 8 year old and could never quite shake the discomfort of that experience. So, I'm biased, and I'll firmly own it.

 

[xenotaris]

I did say nearly unstoppable. And, to be fair, I have not watched passed Alien 3 because the whole death there pissed me right the fuck off. The deaths of the monster always come at a ridiculously high price or body count. It's damn frustrating.

But, more than that, its just the atmosphere. It's the complete and totally unlikability, horror stalker atmosphere I cannot stand in it's presentation. Everything is wet, and haunted house styling in its portrayal.

There's never more to the Xenomorph, except the morph part. The Queen is just bigger. It's all just for the sake of creepiness. And, frankly, real life has enough creepiness for me not to go seek it out in fiction.

ETA: I don't wish to sound argumentative. I appreciate your passion for the franchise and while I'm doing my best to articulate it part of it is simply the creepy factor. I saw the film with my dad as an 8 year old and could never quite shake the discomfort of that experience. So, I'm biased, and I'll firmly own it.

Its fine, I like a good debate. I watched the ALIEN movies back when there was only the first three when I was 5 years old. Granted the movies gave me nightmares and I cried myself to sleep, so i never made it to ALIEN 3 until rediscovering the old VHS tape with all three movies on it when I was Ten.

But I disagree with your assessment of the Queen. She showed a higher degree of intelligence above the drones (smooth head xenos), warriors (ridged head xenos), and runners (dog/ox birthed xenos)

The Alien movies are meant to evoke a claustrophobic reaction from the audience. the xenomorph works best in dark, cramp environments. They do poorly in open or overly spacious environments.

Edit: Ironically Xenomorphs are actually rare in the alien universe, if one does not count the Black Goo/Pathogen/Accerlerant or include the Yautja (Predators) involvement of spreading the xenomorphs across the galaxy. The xenomorphs are mostly restricted to LV-426 aboard the Derelict Alien Ship.

For Covenant, the Planet 4 Xenomorphs are technically a different species from the LV-426 ones since they were created by the android David.

Also in the early script to ALIEN back when it was called Starbeast, the xenomorphs were going to be a more civilized species just its young were parasitoids and without the adults they would continue to be feral. But when Ridley Scott and HR Giger were brought onboard things changed.

The Pilot of the Derelict Ship were now tied to the xenomorphs in an unused mural. The xenomorphs were wrote off as bioweapons by Ridley Scott and then came James Cameron for the Second Movie who gave them their eusocial insect social structure and the rest is history.

 

[fireproof78]

The Alien movies are meant to evoke a claustrophobic reaction from the audience. the xenomorph works best in dark, cramp environments. They do poorly in open or overly spacious environments.

Well, kudos to the filmmakers because they accomplished it.

I just never want to see more of it again. I hate the tail, the face and presentation. It is a credit to the filmmakers that it evokes a very visceral reaction 30+ years later in me.