Spoilers The Acolyte

[cooleddie74]

There may be at least one more Sith apprentice after Qimir before we get to Palpatine/Sidious. Palpatine isn't born until 84 BBY so he doesn't even come into the picture until nearly half a century after The Acolyte.

Sidious himself had at least three apprentices over 36 years.

 

[Toril Toran]

To me, Venestra lying to the senate seemed suspicious. Even if she were trying to smooth things over with them, she kind of threw Sol under the bus rather quickly.
Isn’t telling the truth supposed to be a Jedi trait?
When she gives her report to the Jedi council wouldn’t they know she was lying?
Could she be a future apprentice of Plageius?

 

[Happy Hopping]

but why did the green head lady lies at the end, and make up all that story about Sol? Who is she covering for? Sol is dead. Why doesn't she tell the whole truth to the council members?

 

[Yistaan]

You need to take a saber from a foe you defeated for it to turn red. Vader used the crystal from Kirak Infil'a.

Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise?




Overall I enjoyed the series (except for Episode 7) I do wonder why it cost $180 million. On a per Episode basis it was more expensive then Andor, someone really padded their pockets.

Not true, Kylo Ren turned his own lightsaber red

 

[Captrek]

You have to direct your rage into the lightsaber/crystal to bleed it. Osha is holding Sol’s lightsaber. This is the lightsaber that killed her mother. She bled it right away.

 

[137th Gebirg]

There may be at least one more Sith apprentice after Qimir before we get to Palpatine/Sidious. Palpatine isn't born until 84 BBY so he doesn't even come into the picture until nearly half a century after The Acolyte.

Sidious himself had at least three apprentices over 36 years.

Only TWO there are! No more, no less!!!

 

[137th Gebirg]

but why did the green head lady lies at the end, and make up all that story about Sol? Who is she covering for? Sol is dead. Why doesn't she tell the whole truth to the council members?

Because she is desperately afraid of losing control, like any ruling elite, and will literally do and say anything to maintain that control.

Just like real life.

Like I mentioned up-thread, Palpatine would be proud.

 

[Captrek]

but why did the green head lady lies at the end, and make up all that story about Sol? Who is she covering for? Sol is dead. Why doesn't she tell the whole truth to the council members?

It was four Jedi and two former padawans who were to blame. Better to blame one rogue Jedi rather than six, since the latter would suggest a systemic problem in the Jedi that needs outside supervision.

 

[Yistaan]

It was four Jedi and two former padawans who were to blame. Better to blame one rogue Jedi rather than six, since the latter would suggest a systemic problem in the Jedi that needs outside supervision.

Senator Rayencourt: Hello everyone, I have someone here who would like to talk to us today about the Jedi and clarify certain, ahem, claims that recent calamities were all the fault of one rogue Jedi. Her name is Koril, please give her a warm welcome to the Senate while she testifies.

 

[Starkers]

When Mog Adana knelt down next to Bazil all I could think was "What's that Bazil, Timmy fell down the well?"

I figured Bazil ripped out the wires because he thought Sol was about to kill Mae (I'm still not clear if he was targeting weapons or a tractor beam) but it did seem a ridiculous thing to do while flying through a planet's ring.

So most everything that happened did so because the Jedi originally fucked up and Indara covered it up. Cut to 16 years later and this time it's Vernestra's turn to cover everything up. The Jedi it seems learn nothing.

The show had some cool lightsabre fights, and it wasn't terrible, but it was a trifle clunky and did have a habit of killing off anyone I found interesting (Jecki, Sol, Yord) frankly the only person left I have any time for is Qmir. I wish they're hired twins to play the adult Mae and Osha because I was very conscious every time one hugged the other that there was a stand-in there.)

On the whole it was all a trifle meh. Now awful, some nice moments, but not a show I can see myself revisiting.

 

[Captrek]

Sol insisted to the end, “I did the right thing.” Because he thought the twins were in danger. He thought Mama was going for a gun. Master, those are excuses for doing the wrong thing.

You break into Oshi’s home, kill her mother, then you and your friends fight and kill the rest of the coven, and you’re going to tell her you did the right thing because your actions were justified by your questionable assumptions?

You blame the deaths on her sister and lie to her all her life, and you’re going to tell her you were doing the right thing because you were protecting her from the truth?

No wonder she wanted you to stop talking.

 

[Yistaan]

Post-credits scene--Sol suddenly wakes up.

Sol: What? Where am I? I'm not dead?

Darth Plagueis: You really would've been if Vernestra hadn't burned that fake body I put there for her to find. But you see, I can stop the ones I "care about" from dying. You will learn that there are some things far more frightening than death.

(camera cuts away as Sol screams horrifically along with Darth Plagueis' laughter)

 

[Starkers]

Sol insisted to the end, “I did the right thing.” Because he thought the twins were in danger. He thought Mama was going for a gun. Master, those are excuses for doing the wrong thing.

"Yes well when I see some witch begin to turn into a smoke monster in the middle of a tense confrontation I lightsabre her. That's my policy."

 

[fireproof78]

but why did the green head lady lies at the end, and make up all that story about Sol? Who is she covering for? Sol is dead. Why doesn't she tell the whole truth to the council members?

To preserve the Jedi's power and influence. The loss of one Jedi's reputation is better than the loss of the whole Order's reputation.

Because she is desperately afraid of losing control, like any ruling elite, and will literally do and say anything to maintain that control.

Just like real life.

Like I mentioned up-thread, Palpatine would be proud.

Exactly so. The fear of losing something, especially power, can be crippling. I am still stunned when people don't realize this. Have others never been in fear of losing control?

 

[David cgc]

Sol insisted to the end, “I did the right thing.” Because he thought the twins were in danger. He thought Mama was going for a gun. Master, those are excuses for doing the wrong thing.

He was terrified to admit he made a mistake, that he did the wrong thing even when he thought he was doing the right thing, which ironically ensured his actions would become only more flawed and misguided. He couldn't confront his failure, and couldn't learn from it. The greatest teacher, failure is. Somebody said that once.

 

[Captrek]

Sol was the last guy who should have mentored her. First you have to teach yourself not to screw up that badly, then maybe you can teach a padawan.

 

[Jedman67]

This is just teen sith adventures now

Qimir offed 7-8 highly trained Jedi in an intense lightsaber battle in which he was outnumbered.

 

[Yistaan]

Qimir offed 7-8 highly trained Jedi in an intense lightsaber battle in which he was outnumbered.

Then started quaking in his boots the moment the green woman showed up instead of repeating that feat

 

[fireproof78]

Then started quaking in his boots the moment the green woman showed up instead of repeating that feat

Can't imagine why he might have a trauma response to that lady?

It's a mystery...

 

[Jedman67]

Then started quaking in his boots the moment the green woman showed up instead of repeating that feat

Nah, he shoved his Helmet on bc he did not want to be identified.
He was her former Padwan, I'm assuming, and turned to the Dark Side.
If he shows up to do battle, there's a bigger chance he won't get away so easily this time -there were at least a dozen jedi in the group.

True - we never really get to see what V told Yoda. Just "we need to talk", Yoda's ear-reaction and cut. It could be he's the only other one who knows what really happened from start to finish. If Yoda had gotten involved sooner, however, I suspect that some of this mess might not have gone down the way it did. More arrogance on the part of V and the other middle-management of the Order.

Theory One: by TPM, Yoda knows (or suspects) involvement by the sith and doesn't seem convinced that Darth Maul is the master. He's probably aware of this coverup by Venestra, and prob doesn't have the political power (or will) to expose it.
Theory Two: That's Yaddle, not Yoda

I honestly don't remember how much Venestra knows about The Stranger. I certainly think it would be a terrible mistake if Yoda was sitting on knowledge of the Sith for all this time and I can't imagine they'll go in that direction.

See above. Shit's complicated. A lot can change in a hundred years, even if one of the most respected masters is over 800 years old.