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Spoilers The Acolyte
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That was fairly enjoyable. The fight choreography was good. I was glad to see a Senator questioning the Jedi Order. I'm interested to see what they come up with for season 2.
Considering Yoda had daily meetings with Palpatine for years, I question his skills in detecting lies.
Agreed. That or he's straight up closed minded to the idea that he could be fooled and is arrogant there. Entirely possible for people to get that impression. Unless it comes out otherwise, I'm going to just head canon it away that he was well meaning but misguided when it came to judging and trusting people.
I agree. I think it shows what people were questioning, but not always confident in saying. The trend is to treat the Jedi as superheroes, but the PT and even ROTJ established them as flawed, and capable of being duplicitous or wrong.
It doesn't take away from their heroic qualities but it definitely reminds us that heroes always have more to them than just their perfect side.
Could be part of the isolation impact. They grow up together, cloistered and can trust their fellow Jedi, an aspect the Coven exploited against them. So, perhaps they are unskilled in the ways of the wider galaxy, lacking true wisdom of evil intent.
During the time of the prequels, I used to think that Jedi had blue or green lightsabers because they used natural crystals and Sith always had red lightsabers because they used synthetic ones.
I'm not really a fan of the bleeding concept for lightsabers (and perhaps never will be), but what's done is done.
IIRC, in the very beginning, there was only blue and red. Then, in ROTJ, when they started doing the VFX for Luke on Jabba's sail barge against the blue sky, you couldn't see his lightsaber blade, so Lucas decided to add green to the mix. Then there was ONLY red, blue and green. Then came the PT with Mace Windu who wanted his blade to be Bad Muthafucka Purple, to which Lucas acquiesced and added purple to the mix (to which was added an interesting backstory of how a young Windu came about acquiring a purple "Hurrikaine" crystal in the "Star Wars Tales" comic and later - I believe - in the animated "Clone Wars" in 2003). Then came the other colors post-Lucas, like the yellow of the Jedi Sentinels and Rey, the white of Ahsoka's new twin blades, the orange of Skoll and Hati's blades, and so on.
Personally I like the different colors. YMMV.
Personally I like the different colors. YMMV.
Well, in the very-very beginning, the lightsabers were all going to be white.
The stuff about different colors from different crystals, and the red ones being synthetic instead of natural, was all from the old EU, and it was pretty early in the new canon that they started building the idea that only kyber can be used to make a lightsaber, and that kyber crystals had a will of their own, they choose their wielders, and matched themselves to their personalities in terms of color, and that they could even resist being used in a way counter to the Force, hence the red color coming from the crystals being dominated so they'd submit to being held by someone dedicated to the dark side.
The stuff about different colors from different crystals, and the red ones being synthetic instead of natural, was all from the old EU, and it was pretty early in the new canon that they started building the idea that only kyber can be used to make a lightsaber, and that kyber crystals had a will of their own, they choose their wielders, and matched themselves to their personalities in terms of color, and that they could even resist being used in a way counter to the Force, hence the red color coming from the crystals being dominated so they'd submit to being held by someone dedicated to the dark side.
How do you know she'd be lying to him....?
True - we never really get to see what V told Yoda. Just "we need to talk", Yoda's ear-reaction and cut. It could be he's the only other one who knows what really happened from start to finish. If Yoda had gotten involved sooner, however, I suspect that some of this mess might not have gone down the way it did. More arrogance on the part of V and the other middle-management of the Order.
Yellow lightsabers will never be canon to me. Hate 'em.
I think bleeding crystals is generally a dumb idea, but I didn't mind it in the Acolyte.
The best use of color-coded lightsabers was, of course, in "The Ninth Jedi."
I honestly don't remember how much Venestra knows about The Stranger. I certainly think it would be a terrible mistake if Yoda was sitting on knowledge of the Sith for all this time and I can't imagine they'll go in that direction.
She definitely knows him well.
Also, Yoda didn't seem that certain the Sith were extinct in TPM IIRC. I think Windu was more vocal about that.
I don't but she was willing to destroy the reputation of a good if flawed Jedi and hid the fact that there have been unnecessary deaths due to Jedi action from the Senate. Somehow i don't get the feeling she is willing to come clean, i believe she consults with Yoda about her former Padawan turned Dark Side Jedi if not something completely else.
Her coming clean would also run counter to the whole vibe of Acolyte when it comes to Jedi, i.e. they are arrogant bullies convinced they are the good guys and everybody should just do what they're told because they are so wise.
I don't know why people get so hung up on the idea that Yoda must have had some special knowledge to be aware of the Rule of Two.
We see in TCW that he knows very well who Bane is on sight, so I rather think that the simplest explanation is that contrary to the EU version of events; the final defeat of the Sith Order came well *after* Bane's time, perhaps even centuries later. Maybe it was Bane's Sith Empire that finally kicked the Jedi off Coruscant, toppled the Old Republic, and ruled the galaxy for a time? Long enough that the Rule of Two became well known to the Jedi of the era.
Given that Yoda was raised a mere century after the Sith defeat, it's not unreasonable that he'd have been taught more Sith lore than much later generations would, centuries later. Indeed, I wouldn't be shocked if the Jedi spent a lot of time in the early days of the Galactic Republic stamping out Sith cults, other break-away sects, darkside witchcovens etc.
Mind you, in a few of those drafts, even Stormtroopers and Tusken Raiders had their own "laser swords", so it wasn't always meant to be a special weapon of the Jedi.
Also the idea of kyber crystals being they key component of the lightsabers comes from Lucas himself via TCW (so pre-Disney.) The concept of kyber crystals (albeing spelt differently) being a means for Jedi to focus and amplify their abilities also originates from the early drafts. IIRC an early incaration of that scene where Ben sneaks past some troopers to shut off the tractor beam was actually him sneaking to steal back his "Kiber Crystal" from the Empire, who'd taken it from him.
The concept also resurfaced as the McGuffin for the 'Splinter of the Mind's Eye', which was Lucas's back-up place for a low budget sequel.
So the idea was floating around since the beginning, it just took him until Clone Wars to combine the two concepts.
We see in TCW that he knows very well who Bane is on sight, so I rather think that the simplest explanation is that contrary to the EU version of events; the final defeat of the Sith Order came well *after* Bane's time, perhaps even centuries later. Maybe it was Bane's Sith Empire that finally kicked the Jedi off Coruscant, toppled the Old Republic, and ruled the galaxy for a time? Long enough that the Rule of Two became well known to the Jedi of the era.
Given that Yoda was raised a mere century after the Sith defeat, it's not unreasonable that he'd have been taught more Sith lore than much later generations would, centuries later. Indeed, I wouldn't be shocked if the Jedi spent a lot of time in the early days of the Galactic Republic stamping out Sith cults, other break-away sects, darkside witchcovens etc.
It's amazing how many people forget that one of the very first things we learn about the Jedi, is that one of them turned to evil and murdered all the rest of them. Lucas never intended them to be flawless paragons; they've always just been people. Powerful, highly skilled and well trained people trying to live up to the ideal of a paragon of peace and justice, but people all the same.
Well, in the very-very-VERY beginning (literally the rough draft) they were all going to be red.
Mind you, in a few of those drafts, even Stormtroopers and Tusken Raiders had their own "laser swords", so it wasn't always meant to be a special weapon of the Jedi.
Also the idea of kyber crystals being they key component of the lightsabers comes from Lucas himself via TCW (so pre-Disney.) The concept of kyber crystals (albeing spelt differently) being a means for Jedi to focus and amplify their abilities also originates from the early drafts. IIRC an early incaration of that scene where Ben sneaks past some troopers to shut off the tractor beam was actually him sneaking to steal back his "Kiber Crystal" from the Empire, who'd taken it from him.
The concept also resurfaced as the McGuffin for the 'Splinter of the Mind's Eye', which was Lucas's back-up place for a low budget sequel.
So the idea was floating around since the beginning, it just took him until Clone Wars to combine the two concepts.
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Sol was a nobody to the Senate. I don't think they really cared who it was, as long as she said the situation was taken care of. She just didn't want to mention Mae and Osha to them....
That's not the point and also not the point of the Senator who wanted the Jedi Order investigated or as he put it an external review. Since the Jedi are apparently not subject to the law the government doesn't know what is happening inside the Order and probably know only the Jedi that routinely deal with the government and the few that have celebrity status and are widely known to the public ( i'm sure there are some).
The fact that the Senate apparently believed Venestra is exactly the point that Senator made - the government is all too keen to look the other way because they are basically hero worshipping the Jedi, something we see Venestra and possibly the whole Order exploiting to their benefit. I'm not saying government control would have made everything better or that the government could have prevented the fall of the Jedi ( as we all know the government itself was infiltrated by the Sith and through Palpatine controlled and used against the Jedi) but the Jedi in their state at the the time of Acolyte were truly arrogant and it only continued on to the time of the prequels when the Sith hit the fan.
Disney seemingly doesn't want to tell a (mostly) complete story anymore - feels like endless setting-up-future-stuff. So frustrating.
As for the show, good acting talent, nice worlds, costumes and all, fun fight choreographs.
Mostly terrible story, despite promising starting points.
As a casual Star Wars watcher, so many questions...
As for the show, good acting talent, nice worlds, costumes and all, fun fight choreographs.
Mostly terrible story, despite promising starting points.
As a casual Star Wars watcher, so many questions...
- force created two sides of the same "being" by whom/what/why?
- why did smokey-dust-non-corporial witch mama die of a light saber stab wound?
- how did sister A's fire blow up the witch clan HQ?
- Why and how did all other witches die after the Wookie telepathy thing ended?
- where did the horned other witch clan lady leader go? was she killed?
- who/what was the thing in the cave on the master's ocean base?
- why did the master and sisters eyes turn black
- why did sister B and the master have to fight to get the anti-Jedi-mind-reader-helmet off?
- so sister A and B finally rescued and reunited, seeieng eye to eye. Easily capable to fight with the Master vs the Jedi ship troops and go elsewhere - I mean the master dude did it in the floating/slashing way in a prior episode easily dispating plent of Jedi....
- no, mind wipe and tears it is. sigh
- of corse the master is a former pupil of green Jedi leader lady
- green Jedi lady pins everything on her dead close friend Sol (not that he was blameless) for political reasons.
- small universe alert with the old lame Yoda at the end. Spouts a lot of words of wisdoms, actually doesn't seem the smartest. Is he ok with the cover up or can't he read the minds/room...
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