I don’t think she will never fall. I don’t that impression from her at all in the books
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She's talking to whomever you talk to to make an appointment with Yoda.
I also hear McDiarmid’ voice, in that conversation - and immediately thought of Palpy!
I’d ask, why include both the convo and the similar voice if it had no bearing / meaning - and was simply a throwaway?
I’d ask, why include both the convo and the similar voice if it had no bearing / meaning - and was simply a throwaway?
Again, Yoda foreshadowing. The person she's trying to reach, as mentioned in that conversation, is clearly Yoda.
That's such a weird and illogical concept that, actually, yeah a little bit of clarity would have helped.
"Oh, well, because we were mind controlling someone together as a group, naturally we would all spontaneously die if you break the mind connection." I mean, obviously, right! That just makes perfect sense without a scintilla of further explanation necessary.
Well, that went as expted and mostly predicted.
Osha turns Dark Side and Quimir is her new Master ( just waiting for them to be officially called Sith, i guess season 2 if it happens), Mae has her revenge and by way of Jedi Mindwipe is now the good girl (?). Sol is dead, on that i went 50/50 in my prediction. So far so meh.
Jedi in the form of Venstra turn out to be even bigger dicks that i imagined based on that show. It's bad enough that the original group provoked the whole mess because of their holier than thou attitude but Venestra took the lead immediately by pinning the whole mess on dead Sol ( she's even so arrogant to apologize to dead Sol for ruining his reputation) so they can get the Senate off their backs and remain uncontrolled. The very ego and arrogance is self evident and hyped up to 11.
Things i actually liked:
- the Senate or at least one Senator being distrustful of the Jedi and i went FINALLY! I get that Star Wars and all the other shows in the Sci Fi and Fantasy genre are works of fantasy and have no connection to reality because most of the background would make no sense but finally we have someone speak out the truth - that there is a massively powerful, self policing, closed off ( even if they like to deny it) and unaccountable group within the Republic and no one checks them occasionally or holds them to the same law standard as everybody else.
- i don't know if Kyber Crystal bleeding has been introduced in other shows, mostly animated ones ( i have only seen a couple of episodes in the beginning), but they finally have shown what has been a lore thing for so long and explains why Sith and Dark Side Force users have red lightsabers. Was a cool moment.
So yeah, heavy season 2 setup and now i wonder if Disney will go with internal numbers to decide if a second season will happen or if the review bombing on major sites like IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes factor into the decision. It doesn't deserve the extremely negative reaction because it is not an absymally bad show but it is just mediocre with events that make no sense and a storyline that just muddles through and is extremely predictable.
One question though - would Yoda be able to sense Venestra's lies and deceptions or wouldn't he check actively because he blindly believes a fellow Jedi Master and couldn't imagine them being so deceitful.
Osha turns Dark Side and Quimir is her new Master ( just waiting for them to be officially called Sith, i guess season 2 if it happens), Mae has her revenge and by way of Jedi Mindwipe is now the good girl (?). Sol is dead, on that i went 50/50 in my prediction. So far so meh.
Jedi in the form of Venstra turn out to be even bigger dicks that i imagined based on that show. It's bad enough that the original group provoked the whole mess because of their holier than thou attitude but Venestra took the lead immediately by pinning the whole mess on dead Sol ( she's even so arrogant to apologize to dead Sol for ruining his reputation) so they can get the Senate off their backs and remain uncontrolled. The very ego and arrogance is self evident and hyped up to 11.
Things i actually liked:
- the Senate or at least one Senator being distrustful of the Jedi and i went FINALLY! I get that Star Wars and all the other shows in the Sci Fi and Fantasy genre are works of fantasy and have no connection to reality because most of the background would make no sense but finally we have someone speak out the truth - that there is a massively powerful, self policing, closed off ( even if they like to deny it) and unaccountable group within the Republic and no one checks them occasionally or holds them to the same law standard as everybody else.
- i don't know if Kyber Crystal bleeding has been introduced in other shows, mostly animated ones ( i have only seen a couple of episodes in the beginning), but they finally have shown what has been a lore thing for so long and explains why Sith and Dark Side Force users have red lightsabers. Was a cool moment.
So yeah, heavy season 2 setup and now i wonder if Disney will go with internal numbers to decide if a second season will happen or if the review bombing on major sites like IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes factor into the decision. It doesn't deserve the extremely negative reaction because it is not an absymally bad show but it is just mediocre with events that make no sense and a storyline that just muddles through and is extremely predictable.
One question though - would Yoda be able to sense Venestra's lies and deceptions or wouldn't he check actively because he blindly believes a fellow Jedi Master and couldn't imagine them being so deceitful.
Episode 8 was a great ending to a show I liked a lot. This has easily been the second best Star Wars show after The Mandalorian in my opinion, and hopefully it has a Season 2, which it definitely set up for. So many surprises and twists in this episode, but all well done. We even technically got a Yoda cameo. Outside of a few pacing issues the show has been excellent, the other (non-Mandalorian) SW shows could really learn a thing or two from it, especially when it comes to writing compelling characters.
It was nice to have some solid Star Wars, now it will be a long wait before we get any more.
It was nice to have some solid Star Wars, now it will be a long wait before we get any more.
Interesting concept - I always thought Sith crystals were artificially manufactured, rather than naturally turned - I've heard about this "bleeding" concept in the EU years ago, but it looks like it's been fully canonized as of yesterday.
This (to me) was definitely the best of all the episodes, although I'm with @FPAlpha on this one. Vernestra's covering-up of the crimes committed by Sol & his team to protect the Order seemed absurdly convenient and even, dare I say... downright bloody evil. Palpatine would be proud at the political machinations of this one.
Sol seemed very remorseful about what happened, and completely willing to allow Osha to finish him off, that so many people died in this goat rope including Osha & Mae's mother, but he still stuck to his personal narrative, saying it all was the "right thing to do" (highlighting his own ego's inability to accept the possibility that maybe it was a very wrong thing to do). This makes his confession and ostensible contrition ring a little hollow and disingenuous. In any case, however it's interpreted, it truly was a tragic ending for a fundamentally flawed and tragic character.
The lightsaber duels in this episode (and the series in general) were quite good and strongly choreographed. Very enjoyable and intense to watch. Wish I had seen more of V's lightwhip. I wouldn't put it quite on par with the Duel of Fates, but it's damn close.
This (to me) was definitely the best of all the episodes, although I'm with @FPAlpha on this one. Vernestra's covering-up of the crimes committed by Sol & his team to protect the Order seemed absurdly convenient and even, dare I say... downright bloody evil. Palpatine would be proud at the political machinations of this one.
Sol seemed very remorseful about what happened, and completely willing to allow Osha to finish him off, that so many people died in this goat rope including Osha & Mae's mother, but he still stuck to his personal narrative, saying it all was the "right thing to do" (highlighting his own ego's inability to accept the possibility that maybe it was a very wrong thing to do). This makes his confession and ostensible contrition ring a little hollow and disingenuous. In any case, however it's interpreted, it truly was a tragic ending for a fundamentally flawed and tragic character.
The lightsaber duels in this episode (and the series in general) were quite good and strongly choreographed. Very enjoyable and intense to watch. Wish I had seen more of V's lightwhip. I wouldn't put it quite on par with the Duel of Fates, but it's damn close.
It was one of those things that stood out to me in this theme about power and the ability to wield it. Venestra is one who worked to ensure the Order would be that one.
It's an interesting idea of showing the flaws within the system, which have already reflected in the Prequel trilogy, were the Senate, and then the Chancellor, can direct the Jedi, yet the Jedi still police themselves.
"Well, Master Yoda, what I told you was true, from a certain point of view."
I don't think she "fell" in that sort. I think she is a Jedi loyalist ensuring that her order can still continue police and use their power as they always have.
Way back when the Prequels were about to come out and the whole world waited for the first trailer for Phantom Menace i was so on edge that day when the trailer premiered. In Germany it was an exclusive on a video/pop culture game show that ran back there and when Darth Maul appeared and ignited his saber i went "Wow, he looks cool and evil".
Then the second saber came out and i lost my mind!
I don't think i have been this blown away by a single Star Wars element since. Not that there weren't extremely cool moments after that, e.g. Luke cutting down the Deathtroopers in Mando Season 2 finale, the buildup was so exciting because all elements like the single X-Wing, the color of the Lightsaber, the gloved hands etc pointed to him but one couldn't be 100% sure until he revealed himself.
What i'm trying to say is that the Lightwip was cool but not on the lose my mind level. If we had it seen in longer action and the special fighting style it allows maybe but 2 seconds of it is not enough.
And for something coming close to Duel of the Fates you need a John Williams score, plain and simple
I didn't get the impression that the Jedi Order was controlled by the Senate or the Chancellor. It felt always like being more or less on the same side and working together to benefit both parties - the Jedi love doing the right thing ( at least their interpretation of right) and the Republic has a whole organization allied to them with unique skills that helps them out with the worst problems without pay. Come to think of it - how do Jedi finance their entire operation? Is there anything in canon that explains the Jedi ressources?
I think if Yoda learned the full truth of what transpired, especially how Venestra dealt with it, he'd have a fit. If there will be a second season and if Yoda will play a part in it they could use this as a storyline as Yoda smells something is fishy within the Order and Venestra trying to hide her crimes.
There is no explanation for resources.
Also, literally in the PT the Chancellor sends Qui-Go and Obi-Wan on the mission without the Senate authorization. Which makes even less sense given that they are never brought before the Senate to testify on the Naboo incident.
The power structure of the Old Republic is very strange.
An enjoyable conclusion to the season that manages to wrap up most of the major plot threads and is clearly leaving the door open for more.
My only note is the memory wipe: not a fan, honestly. Not because it's implausible (it's a key component of Revan's story after all, so there's some EU precedent, at least) it's that it felt like a last minute contrivance to keep both sisters alive. Also have a hard time buying that Mae is just suddenly OK with Osha going off with someone she knows can't be trusted. Not that I especially wanted Osha to strike down Mae, but it seemed like the only scenario where her joining the Sith would actually make sense. It all just rang a little false for me, especially how little mercy the rest of these new characters have been shown.
Not especially surprised by either cameo, but moreso Yoda than Plagueis considering I think they already categorically denied he'd appear (I honestly prefer they'd just decline to comment than outright lie abotu such things.) Plagueis just seemed inevitable, one way or the other, since 1) he's the only pre-Sidious Sith Lord aside from Bane that a significant portion of the viewership would have even heard about, and 2) the show features a vergance that can create life.
An excellent show overall. Quite enjoyable and I was always entertained and wanting more. Not perfect by any means, but nothing is. Those expecting every new piece of Star Wars media to be the best thing ever, or else it's the worst thing ever by sheer definition will be chasing that particular dragon forever. This show knows what it was trying to be, and executed on it very well, just like 'Andor', just like 'Ahsoka'.
I think Lucas briefly considered having Luke's sabre turn red when Vader ignited it in that scene on Endor, but thought better of it.
So what's happening here is that Osha is doing it on purpose. She's feeding all of her rage and hatred into the crystal, making it her own. With is another aspect of it; she's not just bleeding *a* crystal, she's bleeding Sol's. She taking something from the person that took everything from her.
I was never a fan of the idea from the old novel that Plagueis was still around during TPM, so this put's it quite reasonably in the strikezone for Palpatine to off him when he's still a relativly young apprentice, a decade or three hence.
Seriously though; I've often thought that their most likely source of income is in leasing access to their archives and offering various scollarary services to the various prestigious academies and universities across the galaxy. The Jedi archive after all is probably the oldest, and most comprehensive library in the entire galaxy, and I'm sure there's no shortage of academics, authors, historians and the like willing to pay for a chance to research with that kind of resource.
Hell, there's probably enough wealthy institutions on Coruscant alone to keep them well funded, never mid the entire core or mid-rim!
My only note is the memory wipe: not a fan, honestly. Not because it's implausible (it's a key component of Revan's story after all, so there's some EU precedent, at least) it's that it felt like a last minute contrivance to keep both sisters alive. Also have a hard time buying that Mae is just suddenly OK with Osha going off with someone she knows can't be trusted. Not that I especially wanted Osha to strike down Mae, but it seemed like the only scenario where her joining the Sith would actually make sense. It all just rang a little false for me, especially how little mercy the rest of these new characters have been shown.
Not especially surprised by either cameo, but moreso Yoda than Plagueis considering I think they already categorically denied he'd appear (I honestly prefer they'd just decline to comment than outright lie abotu such things.) Plagueis just seemed inevitable, one way or the other, since 1) he's the only pre-Sidious Sith Lord aside from Bane that a significant portion of the viewership would have even heard about, and 2) the show features a vergance that can create life.
An excellent show overall. Quite enjoyable and I was always entertained and wanting more. Not perfect by any means, but nothing is. Those expecting every new piece of Star Wars media to be the best thing ever, or else it's the worst thing ever by sheer definition will be chasing that particular dragon forever. This show knows what it was trying to be, and executed on it very well, just like 'Andor', just like 'Ahsoka'.
Just as it is with awakening, or purifying a crystal; bleeding kyber is an act of will, it doesn't just happen on it's own. Lightsabers are not mood rings that change colours based on who's holding them.
I think Lucas briefly considered having Luke's sabre turn red when Vader ignited it in that scene on Endor, but thought better of it.
So what's happening here is that Osha is doing it on purpose. She's feeding all of her rage and hatred into the crystal, making it her own. With is another aspect of it; she's not just bleeding *a* crystal, she's bleeding Sol's. She taking something from the person that took everything from her.
It's shown up in comics (Aphra, I think?) and maybe a book or two.
Plagueis being a Muun was an idea that came from Lucas, so I can't imagine they'd stray from that.
Why? Lucas said Palpatine was about 100 years old when he was the Emperor, and we don't know how long Muuns live.
I was never a fan of the idea from the old novel that Plagueis was still around during TPM, so this put's it quite reasonably in the strikezone for Palpatine to off him when he's still a relativly young apprentice, a decade or three hence.
What I heard was a pretty standard RP accent for any RSC trained actor . . . but yes, the thought that it could have meant to have been a young Sheev did occur to me too.
Well they're a religion, so they're probably tax exempt, and run off donations from gratful worlds, and sponserships from corporations eager for everyone to know that when a Jedi wants a reliable spaceship, they always pick Kuat Drive Yards for all their starship needs!
Seriously though; I've often thought that their most likely source of income is in leasing access to their archives and offering various scollarary services to the various prestigious academies and universities across the galaxy. The Jedi archive after all is probably the oldest, and most comprehensive library in the entire galaxy, and I'm sure there's no shortage of academics, authors, historians and the like willing to pay for a chance to research with that kind of resource.
Hell, there's probably enough wealthy institutions on Coruscant alone to keep them well funded, never mid the entire core or mid-rim!
You get a like just for this. The argument of "It's not the best ever" and I'm like "What is?"
Star Wars was not meant to be the "best ever." It just happened to hit at the right place at the right time. It's really ok to not be the best ever.
One thing I did like in the, I believe Jedi Apprentice Series, was the use of the different Corps for services across the Galaxy. It seemed far more fitting to the Jedi than just the constant knight motif we see to also have these functions that aid in different improvements across the galaxy.
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A messy and badly acted show that didn't really seem to have any direction to it. The Sith in this and the Sith of Vader's time are night and day apart. This is just teen sith adventures now.
With all that said. Episode 8 was probably the best of the series. Didn't entertain me though and that little dog person is annoying as F.
With all that said. Episode 8 was probably the best of the series. Didn't entertain me though and that little dog person is annoying as F.
You don't have to take the lightsaber of a Jedi you slew, that's just a Sith tradition. You can bleed any kyber crystal.
Anakin's didn't do it because George didn't come up with the idea. Stay tuned for the special special edition.
This idea came from a comic a few years back which was released after the EU was ditched so anything from novels or comics these days becomes canon. I really dislike the idea. It's hokey. It's like that fan idea that Anakin's saber would turn red after killing Dooku because Dooku's Sith blood with flow up the blade turning it red. It makes way more sense that it's just a red kyber crystal.
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^^^ Yes it's starting to feel like a potentially unnecessary retcon, based on the history of the concept, but the shit's out of the horse now, as it were. 
It's almost like it's...space magic, or something.
Maybe a wizard did it?
Maybe a wizard did it?
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