Spoilers AHSOKA series [Spoiler Discussion]

[JD]

That's the kind of thing I was remembering with him.

To take this back to Ahsoka, I'm still curious how the did the Howlers, and I haven't been able to find anything about them online anywhere. Were they mocapped horses or rigs more along the lines of the Ostrich horses in the live action Avatar: The Last Airbender?

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[James Cole]

Finally got around to watching AHSOKA season 1 this weekend. It's technically well produced, but my god I've never felt so lost watching a series. I'm a normie / casual Star Wars fan. I'm just not going to watch 10 years worth of YA animation homework to get up to speed on who all these supporting characters are. By the time I was finished watching I wanted an outside creator to come in and fridge all the characters that didn't get general introductions in response to Dave Filoni's excessive self importance. Bring in Michael Chabon for season 2!

 

[Reverend]

That's the kind of thing I was remembering with him.

To take this back to Ahsoka, I'm still curious how the did the Howlers, and I haven't been able to find anything about them online anywhere. Were they mocapped horses or rigs more along the lines of the Ostrich horses in the live action Avatar: The Last Airbender?

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Given the way they moved, especially the walking gait; my money is on them mostly being horses in a partial costume, and digital head & tail replacement. Some medium shots may have just been a fairly standard riding rig, and the wides and reaction shots are mostly going to be fully digital of course though.

 

[Set Harth]

Finally got around to watching AHSOKA season 1 this weekend. It's technically well produced, but my god I've never felt so lost watching a series. I'm a normie / casual Star Wars fan. I'm just not going to watch 10 years worth of YA animation homework to get up to speed on who all these supporting characters are. By the time I was finished watching I wanted an outside creator to come in and fridge all the characters that didn't get general introductions in response to Dave Filoni's excessive self importance. Bring in Michael Chabon for season 2!

Yeah, it's basically a season 5 of Rebels, but in live action.

 

[JD]

Given the way they moved, especially the walking gait; my money is on them mostly being horses in a partial costume, and digital head & tail replacement. Some medium shots may have just been a fairly standard riding rig, and the wides and reaction shots are mostly going to be fully digital of course though.

So basically the same thing they did for the Orbaks in Rise of Skywalker, and the Urakis in Rebel Moon? I had the same thought.

 

[Reverend]

Finally got around to watching AHSOKA season 1 this weekend. It's technically well produced, but my god I've never felt so lost watching a series. I'm a normie / casual Star Wars fan. I'm just not going to watch 10 years worth of YA animation homework to get up to speed on who all these supporting characters are. By the time I was finished watching I wanted an outside creator to come in and fridge all the characters that didn't get general introductions in response to Dave Filoni's excessive self importance. Bring in Michael Chabon for season 2!

Congratulations on discovering that a show who's titular character is from animation, continuing a storyline left hanging from animation, heavily featuring characters and locations from animation, would expect to attract an audience already largely familiar with said animation.
Its almost as if it was made specifically for that specific subset of fans, no? Well, them and the newer fans that watched that one episode of Mandalorian *three and a half years ago* and chose to spend the time getting themselves up to date! If you chose not to get yourself up-to-date then that's entirely your choice, but you can hardly complain at feeling lost since you were given more than fair notice that this just might not be for you.

Call me old fashioned, but when I hear about a show that doesn't interest me, or is clearly not made with my interests in mind, I tend not to bother watching it!

 

[James Cole]

Its almost as if it was made specifically for that specific subset of fans, no? Well, them and the newer fans that watched that one episode of Mandalorian *three and a half years ago* and chose to spend the time getting themselves up to date! If you chose not to get yourself up-to-date then that's entirely your choice, but you can hardly complain at feeling lost since you were given more than fair notice that this just might not be for you.

Was it wise to invest circa $13 million per episode on something with such limited appeal, especially considering the arc ties in with the whole Mandoverse plan? Otherwise just make a like for like YA animation continuation instead of crossing formats. At the very least, have more live action flashbacks or show previously on animated segments so people can catch up.

This is a Star Trek board, so... consider all the reaction to the continuity tie ins in PICARD season 3. It would be the equivalent to having an expensive live action Star Trek series that required reading say 50 issues of a comic series or the whole Star Trek: New Frontier novel line to make sense of it. And Star Trek is a much more niche fanbase than Star Wars.

I'm just surprised no one higher up in the production food chain pushed back to say cut half the memberberries and make it more accessible to the broader Star Wars audience.

 

[Tuskin38]

Rebels and Clone Wars were very popular, it had an audience.

 

[cooleddie74]

A big one, many of them the same people.

 

[fireproof78]

I didn't really watch Clone Wars or much of Rebels and I followed it just fine.

I really didn't follow Ahsoka's plot for the things that I did watch of Clone Wars.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Meh. I have friends who watched Ahsoka without watching the animated shows and they were able to follow along just fine. Everything that you needed to know for this story was explained in this story.

I mean, when you watched episode 4, did you say "oh no I can't follow it because they're talking about Clone Wars and Jedi and stuff that I don't understand"? Did you need to know the backstory between Obi-Wan and Darth Vader? Did you need to know all about Han and Chewie's past? Sure, this is all information that we got eventually, but none of it was necessary for the story being told in episode 4. Same thing with Ahsoka.

Hell, even the people who were familiar with the animation had new information dropped on us. All of that stuff about Ahsoka previously training Sabine was new information to everybody, and yet I didn't feel lost when it was brought up.

 

[Ithekro]

Basically for anything that happens after Rebels we were all basically like Ezra when Sabine is catching him up on events. New to us too.

 

[cooleddie74]

"So, the Emperor died?"

"That's what I understand."

 

[JD]

Was it wise to invest circa $13 million per episode on something with such limited appeal, especially considering the arc ties in with the whole Mandoverse plan? Otherwise just make a like for like YA animation continuation instead of crossing formats. At the very least, have more live action flashbacks or show previously on animated segments so people can catch up.

This is a Star Trek board, so... consider all the reaction to the continuity tie ins in PICARD season 3. It would be the equivalent to having an expensive live action Star Trek series that required reading say 50 issues of a comic series or the whole Star Trek: New Frontier novel line to make sense of it. And Star Trek is a much more niche fanbase than Star Wars.

I'm just surprised no one higher up in the production food chain pushed back to say cut half the memberberries and make it more accessible to the broader Star Wars audience.

I've seen reactions from other people who never watched Clone Wars or Rebels and were able to follow it fine, so I think this might have just been a personal problem for you, and not a problem with the show.
And if you knew going in that this was going to be a follow up to Clone Wars and Rebels, why didn't you watch them before hand? I'm pretty sure we knew about the show far enough in advance that you probably would have had time to get through them. And they're great shows, so you probably would have enjoyed them.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I've seen reactions from other people who never watched Clone Wars or Rebels and were able to follow it fine, so I think this might have just been a personal problem for you, and not a problem with the show.
And if you knew going in that this was going to be a follow up to Clone Wars and Rebels, why didn't you watch them before hand? I'm pretty sure we knew about the show far enough in advance that you probably would have had time to get through them. And they're great shows, so you probably would have enjoyed them.

And even if someone didn't have time or inclination to watch hours upon hours of animation, there were a plethora of YouTube channels out there that were offering very concise recaps of all the major plot points of the show.

 

[Set Harth]

And if you knew going in that this was going to be a follow up to Clone Wars and Rebels, why didn't you watch them before hand?

That's a pretty big time commitment! That's like 207 episodes not counting the movie!

 

[fireproof78]

if you knew going in that this was going to be a follow up to Clone Wars and Rebels, why didn't you watch them before hand? I'

No interest.

 

[James Cole]

Meh. I have friends who watched Ahsoka without watching the animated shows and they were able to follow along just fine. Everything that you needed to know for this story was explained in this story.

A quick glance at internet reviews shows this was a common complaint, so it was far from just me.

And if you knew going in that this was going to be a follow up to Clone Wars and Rebels, why didn't you watch them before hand? I'm pretty sure we knew about the show far enough in advance that you probably would have had time to get through them. And they're great shows, so you probably would have enjoyed them.

Again casual viewer. I've had Disney+ since Black Friday, and only got around to watching it now. If Star Trek has to be accessible to the casual viewer, Star Wars with its higher budget and broader intended audience should at least be held to the same standard.

And even if someone didn't have time or inclination to watch hours upon hours of animation, there were a plethora of YouTube channels out there that were offering very concise recaps of all the major plot points of the show.

Maybe Disney+ should've had something like that. Well if and when season 2 happens and I'm still an interested casual viewer of Disney's style of Star Wars, I'll try and find a Clone Wars + Rebels + Season 1 recap all in one go.

That's a pretty big time commitment! That's like 207 episodes not counting the movie!

Wow. That's a ton of homework, especially for something that is not like for like with a different intended target audience.

At the end of the day it was 6.5 hours of viewing. Not so bad that I turned it off mid story, but annoying enough to post about it on the internet. Well, onto the MCU series...

 

[fireproof78]

Ahsoka was a vanity project. Not meant as accessible.

 

[The Wormhole]

That's a pretty big time commitment! That's like 207 episodes not counting the movie!

Meh, I binged the first six seasons of Clone Wars and the first two seasons of Rebels over a two week period in September 2016.

Well, onto the MCU series...

If you thought Ahsoka was inaccessible to the casual viewer...