Not always.it's done for a reason (the reason being it's getting the axe soon).
Discovery Season 2 was announced before Season 1 even aired.
Strange New Worlds renewed for a fourth season
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Discovery Season 2 was announced before Season 1 even aired.
That was a big a different scenario though. Discovery Season 2 had already secured funding on the assumption that a new Star Trek show would be successful.
In the streaming age it's hard to get a true answer on anything, but given Netflix's pull out... it seems to me that it was definitely not as successful as hoped. (Although it may have suffered from the same thing that plagued ENT in having absolutely unrealistic expectations applied to it.)
Disco was at a different point in its run.
Disco still had room to go. SNW is now entering its fourth season.
That would be entirely correct. But it hasn't happened, so I don't see the relevance. If a hypothetical Legacy show featured the Enterprise-C in a flashback and said it was a Constitution-II.V class, that would be bad for continuity. But it's a complete hypothetical.
I don't see anything wrong with some speculation, especially given that it's really not an unlikely scenario. As it stands just with what he have, the status of TOS is dubious within the continuity.
I'm not even particularly against it happening, just kind of depending on how Paramount treats it.
So, having thought on this a little bit here's my approach and Paramount's attitude can go pound sand (as can other fans).
One timeline: TOS to VOY, with some exceptions (TMP being notable).
Second timeline: diverged when the Borg go back in time in First Contact. Splinters like Parallel branches to Enterprise, in to Discovery, to Strange New Worlds. Discovery likely went to this branch but that's debatable. Events of TOS will happen in a similar manner, characters and events but tech was changed with ongoing Temporal Time War shenanigans.
Outliers: Kelvin (obviously), Prodigy, Lower Decks (events happened but not as depicted).
If one has to take TOS as strict literal history occurring as it happened on screen this is my approach.
One timeline: TOS to VOY, with some exceptions (TMP being notable).
Second timeline: diverged when the Borg go back in time in First Contact. Splinters like Parallel branches to Enterprise, in to Discovery, to Strange New Worlds. Discovery likely went to this branch but that's debatable. Events of TOS will happen in a similar manner, characters and events but tech was changed with ongoing Temporal Time War shenanigans.
Outliers: Kelvin (obviously), Prodigy, Lower Decks (events happened but not as depicted).
If one has to take TOS as strict literal history occurring as it happened on screen this is my approach.
I like this, but I would also add the possibility that the timeline can snap back on itself when a new temporal incursion occurs, hence why the TOS aesthetic was shown in PIC S3. It's like ripples bouncing back when they hit another obstacle.
One question though, why not TMP??
I actually don't have an issue with Prodigy, and my issues with Lower Decks in regards to how it fits in with the rest of the continuity of the fictional setting are with plot/character elements rather than visuals.
I don't need to be *THAT* literal as to say that Lower Decks people are literally two dimensional animated people. There is absolutely a level of adjusting for the medium the work is presented in.
It's difficult to truly articulate my preference for how to tackle the TOS era, but in broad strokes it's not "Make it literally exactly as presented on 1960's television", but rather... make the designs as close as is feasibly possible. Keep the same shapes of things. Add detail, texture, lighting as necessary. There is really no reason the Enterprise couldn't just be the Enterprise. Go ham on lighting, add some more in-depth texturing to it, render the ever loving hell out of it. But the shape really doesn't need to change.
Things like uniforms and what not? I'm satisfied with SNW's take. Those hit "close enough" to me. They aren't exact... but many of them are damn well close enough.
Things like the bridge and interior spaces? Probably the more problematic areas to truly replicate, but I think they could be closer without going too much. At the very least, I would preferred capturing the spirit. The Enterprise always seemed to be somewhat crowded, cramped even. SNW Enterprise has a huge, sprawling bar. Pike's quarters is bigger than my house. I think they could have downsized a bit, used a color scheme closer to the original, etc.
I will say though, Discovery kind of ruined me a bit. Had this new era of Trek started with SNW... i'd probably be less antagonistic. SNW does look good and is generally a good show, and it comes MUCH closer to actually trying to evoke TOS than Discovery ever did. Honestly I think even with SNW... if they didn't mess with the ship as much and the Enterprise was just.. the Enterprise, I probably would be mostly fine. That truly is my biggest gripe with SNW.
I am slowly just accepting that this is what it is now.
I never really thought the original bridge needed many changes to be acceptable for modern audiences. Different lighting, more interactive displays replacing the old static pictures, and maybe a slight size increase to accommodate the camera angles used for a "cinematic" approach.
That's just my taste, is all. I'm absolutely not dissing the SNW bridge as it fits fine in the SNW Enterprise.
I actually liked the mentality used when they updated the TWOK uniform for S1.
A little extra detail along the sleeve, but the shape stays the same. (Although I'm still not entirely sold on the flap angle)
That's the way I'd update things set in an already-seen era of Trek. You just add detail, but keep the silhouette.
To me, it didn't.
The uniforms are more egregious to me.
Kirk and Spock are too different to me, plus the rapid refit of the Enterprise, plus the uniforms, plus the new characters who practically take over.
It's not a good line up and then going from TMP to TWOK makes it more difficult for me.
Which is why I set it out as different. The purpose of it is a sitcom, ab exaggeration of in universe events rather than a literal history.
I see this a lot and it just baffles me. Discovery is a departure in some ways, but I don't let it color my view of other Trek. It just is a different take on a universe I like.
there is possibly 10-15 years in-universe between TMP and TWOK if that helps.
Possibly being the operative word. It's not explicit.
SNW could continue beyond five seasons.
There's a second leading man in the wings for it.
It could even cover the years after TOS Season 3.
Academy, as a YA series, won't have much appeal. SNW is needed to keep streaming trek afloat.
Oh, I thought it was Pike's show not the placeholder show? 
SNW could continue beyond five seasons.
There's a second leading man in the wings for it.
It could even cover the years after TOS Season 3.
Are we going to do Star Trek '09 all over again?
Are we going to do Star Trek '09 all over again?
Star Trek 2009 worked. Mainstream mass audiences were on board. It was just downhill after that.
Yes.Are we going to do Star Trek '09 all over again?
Indeed. Even being the apparent purist I am, I would be fine with some even more refinement. Keep the same shape... basically just add an HD texture pack onto the existing model. I could see like the control panels being that same exact shape, but they're big touch screen panels with the instrumentation/UI laid out in a similar fashion to the TOS buttons. Change the the static picture panels into various display screens. Give the walls a more metallic texture/glean. Things like that.
This one of those things where I asked "Why?" Like the updated uniform looks fine but... did it need updating? Does the original monster maroon look "out of date"? Directly comparing the two pictures, the original looks great. The SNW version, to me, sort of looks like someone with a (really good) home made attempt at cosplaying a monster maroon. But in the end, if all of the "visual updates" were similar to that? Sure, whatever.
Uniforms I can explain away more easily. They're pieces of cloth. They can very easily change at any time. They could be wearing one uniform one day and a completely different one the next. I do this every day with clothes.
I would be much more odd to me if my car changed around...
I can believe clothes change. I have a harder time with something like a ship being an apparent Transformer.
In the case of TMP... I really don't find anything to be unbelievable, short of perhaps character changes and even then... I don't think it's that egregious. At the very least, even if I find things unbelievable, I can suspend my disbelief enough if given an explanation. Tell me WHY something happened and even if I don't think it entirely makes sense... I can accept that there's an actual, in-universe reason why these things happened.
I like to as well, but for the purposes of Trek discussions, I do believe we need to have a common ground. Lower Decks is considered part of the continuity, so despite me thinking it shouldn't be, it is.
I think that's where some misunderstanding happens. Just because people may think something works better outside of the continuity doesn't mean it's bad. People tend to get super defensive when it's suggested that their personal favorite thing should be outside of the continuity. But... they shouldn't be. Sometimes it's even better for it to just be it's own thing.
First impressions matter. My first impression to the new era of Star Trek was absolutely, abysmally terrible. It set a bad tone for what was to come and even though it's been improving, the initial first impression damage has been done.
I like different takes. The track record for Trek is still pretty good. Out of 10 TV series, I actively dislike two (DSC and TAS), I think one is ok (SNW), I think one is super fun but shouldn't be in the continuity (LDS). Overall Trek is still doing well. Out of 13 movies, I at least like all of them to varying degrees. I don't even dislike 5, and i'm apparently one of the few who actually really enjoy Into Darkness.
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