I feel like most people think Shaw is a terrible character in the same way people thought Jellico was terrible.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x08 - "Labyrinths"
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I feel like most people think Shaw is a terrible character in the same way people thought Jellico was terrible.
Dude was treated poorly and as a social outcast long before that.
It clearly isn't foolproof given how often we see problems occur. One would hope frequent assessments would occur as people move up in rank.
No.
Shaw was a terrible human being. He almost left a young man to die for the most selfish of reasons.
Shaw exercised his power over a subordinate to degrade and insult.
Shaw interrupted a personal moment in the Holodeck to vent at characters who mostly dealt with a phase of their psychological issues, while he himself was in desperate need of psychological rest leave.
As written, he was an asshole, but not in a fun way, in a scummy way.
Please don't begin to compare him to Jellico or Rayner, they're not the same.
Shaw was a dick. People enjoyed the character because the actor did such an entertaining job, but I agree, he was not a nice character and I’m shocked he advanced through the ranks to become a Starfleet captain. He didn’t exactly embody the values of Starfleet. One of the many problems I had with PS3.
"Rough around the edges" or "dick" are euphemisms to disguise exactly how bad he is.
The only reason I can excuse his presence at all is because he's damaged, but he convinced Starfleet to give him a ship...more assholery. Counselor, oh counselor!? Nothing. Silence. Starfleet failed Shaw, Shaw failed everybody else.
Discovery's crew act way more like TNG's crew in general than most of them actually acted in season 3.
Yeah, by 2375 Starfleet had been decimated. Combine the bloodiest war in the recorded history of the Alpha Quadrant with no fewer than two major Borg attacks on the heart of the Federation itself and all those ships and lives that were lost and it's a wonder the cook from the Titan-A wasn't the Captain.
Yeah, I don't get why they wrote him like that if he was supposed to be 'redeemed''. It's not even that he was right, like Jellico. He was just an asshole.
Adding to the woes of Starfleet, they lost ships in the brief Federation-Klingon war and during the cold war phase with the Dominion before the Dominion War.
Imagine if Neelix finds Book's root cutting and tosses it into a stew he's preparing. On the next Very Short Treks...
It's good enough to keep me watching. But I'll never rewatch it. I'm fine with C-level shows as one time viewings, but I always hope for something more. I realize DIS is more for some people, and I'm happy for them.
It's fascinating with DIS how the seasons are so different and everyone seems to have their own ranking. Sure, that's true with other shows too. But it seems even more so with DIS.
I'm the opposite of you in that S1 and S2 were the best for me with S2 being peak DIS. Although, I didn't care for the Klingon redesign. But it was downhill from there. S5 is a bit better than 3 & 4 in my book. But each to their own!
I'm not sure that Culber is much ahead of Stamets though. Sure, he had the Trill story in which he was fantastic. So, maybe a little bit but perhaps Stamets will feature in one of the final two? So far Stamets seems (from memory) to be consistently doing more than Culber episode to episode, but not have the single standout one yet. Kind of a wash.
Or maybe even make one of the pieces an entire planet, like in DW!
Who?!
Right. At first she wasn't doing it hard enough. And then lights started going out and that gave her more motivation to introspect harder! Whew!All Michael had to do was introspect really hard.
Sarcasm doesn't usually carry that well over text but I heard it loud and clear here!
At first, I thought you were correct about perfect balance in that everything was equally boring. But, no, you're incorrect, Book and "Book" were standouts in this episode, messing up the balance.
I do actually agree with this thought and it's a bit of a criticism of the clues and test, the whole process of the scientists who hid them. The tests tend to be for Burnham and, to a small extent, the crew of DIS. So, even though Burnham passes the tests --ok, she's introspective after enough pressure-- so lets stipulate that she and, what the heck, the entire DIS crew are worthy of the progenitor tech.
What about the entire freaking Federation for however long they hold the tech?! Someone, somewhere, probably multiple someones, will be tempted to abuse it. There's really no way to test an entire civilization, Federation or other, in its entirety and for all time. Just not possible.
I assume that in the end the tech will be hidden again or destroyed.
I barely have time for one.
But I wouldn't want to clean it.
Decent episode for me, gave it a 7.
Though that last bit just killed the breen as anything other than single note bad guy.
I would love to see a meme where when Burnham enters the mindscape.
Burnham appears high on a golden throne with a glowing robe, surrounded by white light, and angelic music.
AI Book: I heard you had an ego, but DAMN!!!!
Though that last bit just killed the breen as anything other than single note bad guy.
I would love to see a meme where when Burnham enters the mindscape.
Burnham appears high on a golden throne with a glowing robe, surrounded by white light, and angelic music.
AI Book: I heard you had an ego, but DAMN!!!!
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