Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x07 - "Erigah"

[Lord Garth]

Bad Mind Altering Effects... They would've been better off just ignoring the unsavory parts of "The Cage" rather than bringing attention to it.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

People playing "Asteroids" suddenly makes so much sense!

Now imagine doing that in a TransWarp Tunnel that you can't change directions, just shift over lanes U/D/L/R to avoid debris.

There is no stop; only slow down, speed up, no reverse.

If you mess up, your StarShip might crash into the debris and you'll die, also further causing more debris for others behind you.

 

[NCC-73515]

And TFF. Without the J.M. Dillard novelization to explain how the ship did it you're left absolutely baffled as to how the Enterprise-A could get to the center of the galaxy in what seemed like only a couple of days or so.

What was the explanation there?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Trek has shown that technological stagnation is actually kind of normal in the trek universe. The Dominion have been around for 10,000 or 2,000 years depending on which Weyoun you ask and they aren't that much far ahead in terms of technological capability. Klingons have been spacefaring for around 1500 years, Vulcans and romulans for around 2,000 years, the Bajorans were a pre-warp culture for 20,000 years and said to have been building cities while man was still learning to walk upright, and none of them are floating heads in jars or have technology that monkey-brained humans couldn't figure out. There's no reason why the Federation should be some iain Banks culture-like entity thousand years into the future when it's firmly established, that no civilisation in trek evolves into that.

During the 24th century, The Dominion ships were notice-ably slower than the Alpha Quadrant species, doesn't matter if it's Romulan/Klingon/Federation. They were piss slow in comparison.

What they had was REALLY fast / massive ship building and Jem Hadar cloning which was something truly unique. The volume of soldiers & cheap ships they can field along with a few massive ones was second to none.

They had decent shields, different weapons that the UFP didn't know how to deal with at first, but eventually adapted during the war.

The Federation and their allies had nothing similar, no mass produced droids, no clones of their own. So man power was a HUGE issue for the Federation & it's allies.

What the UFP wouldn't have given during the Dominion War to mass produce Lt. Commander Data onto every StarFleet ship and have AI helpers on each ship like "The Doctor", ready for assistance.
Also every StarShip having their own AI like Zora to help with things.
Maybe even have mass produced Bi-PaB droids that are cheap / disposable like the ones we see the Confederacy make in "The Clone Wars" in Star Wars. But much higher quality than the B-1's. But those didn't seem to come until much later. The A-500 Synths that rebeled and caused the "Synth Attack" due to the Zhat-Vash having a insider in StarFleet at the highest level.

Three hundred light years an hour isn't exactly slow, you could cross the galaxy in about 14 days with that.

~ 13.5 days if you could fly non-stop to cover 100,000 ly of the Thin Disk section.

But given that you have to stop frequently to recharge your SIF Shield Generator, during that down time, you'll be back in normal space and need some short amount of time to let it fully recharge before you have to hop back into QSS. And when you take pit stops, people have a tendency to scan around them to see what's going on. So many side missions later, you'll get there ~ a day and half later than expected. Probably closer to 15 days given how fast it seems that Shields were draining on the USS Voyager.

Obviously with tech improvements, the SIF generators won't drain as fast, so the amount of time you spend inside QSS will be longer later on.

Of course, they also failed to explain why nobody bothered to clean out the corridors.

Given that the UFP was in shambles, I doubt other governments had the resources to clean it up either.

 

[cooleddie74]

What was the explanation there?

The Sha-Ka-Ree entity telepathically implanted visions into Sybok that instructed his followers on how to modify the Enterprise-A's warp engines to create incredible new speeds.

 

[Fateor]

Given that the UFP was in shambles, I doubt other governments had the resources to clean it up either.

The Breen had the resources to build and run their giant Dreadnoughts.

And of course, there's the question of why after the Burn the Federation Borg members didn't just generate new Transwarp Corridors to connect all the Federation planets together.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The Breen had the resources to build and run their giant Dreadnoughts.

And of course, there's the question of why after the Burn the Federation Borg members didn't just generate new Transwarp Corridors to connect all the Federation planets together.

So money for defense and none for infrastructure. Sounds familiar
Who can say where the FedBorgs are between the 25th Century and the 32nd?

 

[JoseNoodles]

Didn't stop them where Borg transwarp, subspace catapult, quantum slipstream, or any other half a dozen exotic technologies were concerned.

They had the benefit of experts familiar with the technology: Borg transwarp (Seven of Nine), the subspace catapult (Tash), and quantum slipstream (Arturus). Remember the Sikarians' spatial trajector? That went fubar real quick.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yet the Sikarian spatial trajector reappeared in Season 1 of PIC. Seven and Soji even use it to get off the Artifact, the Borg Cube captured by the Romulans. So that's two methods of rapid space travel that don't get reused in later centuries when it might come in very handy.

 

[fireproof78]

Now imagine doing that in a TransWarp Tunnel that you can't change directions, just shift over lanes U/D/L/R to avoid debris.

There is no stop; only slow down, speed up, no reverse.

If you mess up, your StarShip might crash into the debris and you'll die, also further causing more debris for others behind you.

I played that game too

Yet the Sikarian spatial trajector reappeared in Season 1 of PIC. Seven and Soji even use it to get off the Artifact, the Borg Cube captured by the Romulans. So that's two methods of rapid space travel that don't get reused in later centuries when it might come in very handy.

Only if no one dies.

 

[Mudd]

People die using every means of transport known to humanity. Including crawling.

 

[Fateor]

So money for defense and none for infrastructure. Sounds familiar

In this case they're the same thing, since all you need to clear a corridor is a ship with weapons or a tractor beam.

Who can say where the FedBorgs are between the 25th Century and the 32nd?

Lower Decks already told us they continue to be a part of the Federation into the Far Future.

Yet the Sikarian spatial trajector reappeared in Season 1 of PIC. Seven and Soji even use it to get off the Artifact, the Borg Cube captured by the Romulans. So that's two methods of rapid space travel that don't get reused in later centuries when it might come in very handy.

They could have also just stuck giant tachyon arrays on space stations and used them to accelerate Solar Sail ships between solar systems via artificially created tachyon eddies.

 

[Nerys Myk]

In this case they're the same thing, since all you need to clear a corridor is a ship with weapons or a tractor beam.

Perhaps. Have we seen anyone attempt it on a large scale?

Lower Decks already told us they continue to be a part of the Federation into the Far Future.

It established there were Borg in the Federation of the Far Future. Nothing about where they came from. So pure speculation

 

[The Wormhole]

what we have with the show would be effectively some sailors from the 1200s showing up today, and while I think Farragut and even Nelson might get their heads around 2024 eventually, I can't imagine someone from the 13th century doing so.

I remember a joke someone made a few years ago about Disco's crew figuring out the mystery of the Burn so quickly after arriving in the 32nd century even though the rest of Starfleet hadn't figured it out in over a century. It'd be like a Viking ship arriving in 2020 and instantly finding a cure to COVID.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The Breen had the resources to build and run their giant Dreadnoughts.

For the Breen, their War Budget would probably have the highest priorities

And of course, there's the question of why after the Burn the Federation Borg members didn't just generate new Transwarp Corridors to connect all the Federation planets together.

Who says they're still around? We don't know what happened to them since the 24th/25th century.

I played that game too

So have I, but a video game is quite different from doing the real thing, especially when you get only 1x try in life.
No room for failure, and if you fail the consequences & situation gets worse for yourself & others.

So you can understand why there hasn't been much attempt to clean it out, just small courier ships dodging the debris as needed to save time on their routes.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I remember a joke someone made a few years ago about Disco's crew figuring out the mystery of the Burn so quickly after arriving in the 32nd century even though the rest of Starfleet hadn't figured it out in over a century. It'd be like a Viking ship arriving in 2020 and instantly finding a cure to COVID.

How quickly did John Crichton adapt to the life and tech aboard Moya? (I never really watched the show.)

 

[Fateor]

Who says they're still around? We don't know what happened to them since the 24th/25th century.

Lower Decks established it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Lower Decks established it.

Nope.

 

[The Wormhole]

How quickly did John Crichton adapt to the life and tech aboard Moya? (I never really watched the show.)

I only watched the first six episodes or so and have no memory of them now.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Yet the Sikarian spatial trajector reappeared in Season 1 of PIC. Seven and Soji even use it to get off the Artifact, the Borg Cube captured by the Romulans. So that's two methods of rapid space travel that don't get reused in later centuries when it might come in very handy.

Even the "Borg Version" of the Sikarian Spatial Trajector was a very "Nerfed" version of the original.

Remember, the original Sikarian version could transport people up to 40,000 ly away due to the TetraHedral Quartz mantle of their home planet. Sikaris' Tetrahedral Quartz allowed them to Focus & Amplify the Trajector Field. That meant the technologies massive range was only viable to and from the planet with a Spatial Trajector based on the planet's inherent geological composition. It's not a portable system or a easily replicatable system.

Good luck finding another planet with a similar Mantle Composition.

On the Borg Cube, the Spatial Trajector was limited to use by "The Borg Queen" due to it being hidden away in her chambers. It seemed to be only used as a emergency escape transporter due to it's range.

It also only sent Picard to Nepenthe, which was "Several Days" away travel time from the Borg Cube on his Kaplan F17 Speed Freightor.
I did a rough estimate, that if he was "Cruising" at Warp 9 (Optimal Fuel Burn Speeds) for ~3 days, that would be ~12.5 ly away from the Cube. That's a SIGNIFICANT one way trip for Picard.

It also took the Spatial Trajector ~1 minute to charge up enough energy to open the Spatial Trajector Portal to Nepenthe.
So it wasn't super fast like a Transporter, but it was very useful at sending 2x people a great distance by themselves, w/o StarShip support.

No wonder the Borg Queen limited it's use to being a private emergency escape system. The technology seems to have many downsides, imagine how much energy a Borg Cube could generate in it's super capacitors for 1 minute, just to move a few people up to 10-20 ly away. That's a dangerous away mission. You must be really confident that you'll end up at the correct place and succeed at whatever mission you were sent on, especially w/o support from the original StarShip or StarBase that sent you there.