Because it's confusing. And it'd s confusion I swe expressed by other fans. The Borg have one terminology for individuals and groups.
"Forget about the Borg. We really need to be worried about the Borg."
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"
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"Forget about the Borg. We really need to be worried about the Borg."
I'm sorry I just don't understand why this so confusing.
Quite literally, it works with other things in the show. "The Romulans aren't a threat. We need to be worried about Romulans."
Is that confusing? I mean, if you have trouble understanding it is what is, but i'm baffled as to how it's that confusing that a word could both mean a larger group or a smaller group based on context.
Of course it can, but it was not used with Borg. "THE BORG" is the term and is used to refer to the whole group more often than not.
You are quite correct about terms but the Borg had not been used like other groups in Star Trek.
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I'm just going to accept that I don't understand the issue. Seems very clear to me through context. But, I guess they could have... renamed the Borg or something? I don't really know what the solution to this "problem" is. "The Borg" is the Borg Collective, make... Vlorg the ex-borg, Borgles the ones we see in S3?!
I mean, it's like humans. We have terms like humans, people, as well as ethnic, nationalities and other terms across our planet. It's not a matter of "renaming." It's adding a new descriptor for drones who have left the collective, so that when we say "The Borg" we can be clear in our meaning.
They did though. They call them "XB's".
If you're referring to the "Jurati Borg", we didn't really interact with them for very long. They might call themselves something else entirely. But even if they don't... if they call themselves Borg... it's their name. We don't know what Starfleet would call them. We saw them for like, 5 minutes.
In regards to the S3 Borg, they are... "The Borg", in so much as it matters. As in like, regular old Borg.
Which is the problem I'm getting at. The term Borg means many different things and it gets confusing.
It might not be confusing for you but that doesn't make it less confusing or annoying in dialog.
To borrow a line from Discovery, "Universal law is for lackeys, context is for kings."
I agree, but when I see multiple discussions (not here but elsewhere) about "What do you mean we had no contact with the Borg?" it's clear the language is insufficient.
It's not really the fault of the show if people aren't paying attention.
I don't even understand how one could misunderstand what is happening. But it's just going in circles. I can leave it at... I disagree, the Borg is their name, and there's honestly nothing confusing about it all. You are free to disagree with that. LLAP.
I get that it's not confusing for you but the encounters and discussions I've had prove that is not the only response.
Peace and long life.
The Borg are a Collective. They don't recognize individuals.
So...we only use one term now even in stories?
The season 1 Borg were were called XBs short for Ex-Borg.
Yes, but does that apply to Jurati's Borg?
Thats never been true. The Borg recognised Locutus as an individual, else why give him a new name in the first place? And they recognise Janeway, Seven and their own queen.
Somebody replied to something cool.
It isn't you.
If it was me, you'd know.
It isn't you.
If it was me, you'd know.
They didn’t. They created him as an individual (edit: and even then it was more as the image of an individual, he had a name, but Picard was subsumed by the collective) as they felt using such would help assimilate humanity — and by extension the federation — by using individuality. At the very beginning, the Borg didn’t even recognise *people*. They were interested only in the technology of the Enterprise itself.
Right so the original comment was "The Borg are a Collective. They don't recognize individuals."
And you just stated the Borg created Locutus as an individual, so then they don't recognise him as such? That makes no sense. They might not recognise *people*, despite this word having an even wider definition in the 24th century than it does now. They recognise Picard, Janeway and Seven as distinct entities and the Borg understand their strengths, weaknesses and values as the Borg queen is evidently just as sapient and self aware as those humans are, if not more so. Yes the original intention was different but between the first time we see the Borg in Season 2 and BOBW the idea of the Borg had clearly evolved into something a little different, and then First Contact binned the idea altogether of the Borg being a completely de-centralised hive mind soley interested in advancing their own technology.