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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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I hope not. I don't like the idea of the stories we've had for all these years turning out to be wrong. Also, isn't the Sentry supposed to be a Superman-level character? It's implausible that the stories we have would've turned out remotely the same way if a guy that powerful had been around. It also takes away Captain Marvel's thunder as the most powerful hero in the MCU.

IMO, in the comics, the Sentry's backstory is absolutely awful and reeks of the marketing/promotional scheme it was designed to be. The character could easily have been introduced as having operated in the shadows for years.
 
IMO, in the comics, the Sentry's backstory is absolutely awful and reeks of the marketing/promotional scheme it was designed to be. The character could easily have been introduced as having operated in the shadows for years.
The backstory reads like it should have been a one-off graphic novel unattached to the shared Marvel Universe, like an Astro City mini-series or something.
That is, the more I think about it ... isn't the backstory basically a rip-off of Alan Moore's Marvelman?
 
I hope not. I don't like the idea of the stories we've had for all these years turning out to be wrong. Also, isn't the Sentry supposed to be a Superman-level character? It's implausible that the stories we have would've turned out remotely the same way if a guy that powerful had been around. It also takes away Captain Marvel's thunder as the most powerful hero in the MCU.
Before i get into the other stuff...just on this... what level of "Superman" are we talking about? Like MCU Icarius of the Eternals level of Superman, or DCFU's version which has him be the repository of all Krpyptonians' DNA as well as his death triggering Darkseid's impending Apocalypse (pun intended)

Sentry was way after my time, so i don't know how powerful he's supposed to be.... but also that ca be easily changed to suit the direction of the MCU

It’s a bit more serious, taking Thor’s thunder! He doesn’t take it well.

Why the hell is that more serious? Because he's a man?

I assume it's because Thor is the God of Thunder.

Because it's a joke. Steal his thunder. Thunder. God of Thunder.
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So is it just me, or does it seem like most other people got the joke?
I'm guessing you don't write much comedy.

You guess wrong. https://christopherlbennett.wordpre...tion/hub-space-tales-from-the-greater-galaxy/

In fact, when I wrote "Captain Marvel's thunder," I was tempted to attempt some convoluted pun about the Fawcett/DC Captain Marvel and how he was almost called Captain Thunder, but I decided that would be too labored. I guess that distracted me from thinking of the Thor connection.

Wow. You wrote one book, which no one here (so far) seems to have heard of. Only one reviewer has stated that they felt it was funny. But based on the interaction here, what you find funny might not be funny to the rest of us. .
 
Well, if we're going to make the thread about Christopher's work, rather than the MCU; there's always a healthy injection of humor in Christopher's work, which I've always enjoyed. "Over a Torrent Sea" is peak Star Trek lit. His creation for the Star Trek novel verse, Enterprise -E crew member T'Ryssa Chen, was always a favorite of mine.
 
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Hey, look everyone! Over here! Marvel news! (Thank God...)

Ebon Moss-Bachrach confirms that the Thing will be CGI. He mentions the suit worn by Michael Chiklis, noting that it was very uncomfortable for Chiklis, and says, "We're past that". Going on, he compared the suit to "cosplay" and "kind of amateur that kind of stuff now with the technology we have".


https://variety.com/2024/film/news/...thing-motion-capture-not-suit-1235921378/amp/
 
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He just missed a joke. A ridiculously obvious joke. Not the end of the world. ;)
Not the end of the world, but it seems to be a recurring pattern (including the tone of the reaction of what is obvious to MOST to be a joke.
Hey, look everyone! Over here! Marvel news! (Thank God...)

Ebon Moss-Bachrach confirms that the Thing will be CGI. He mentions the suit worn by Michael Chiklis, noting that it was very uncomfortable for Chiklis ,and says, "We're past that". Going on he compared the suit to "cosplay" and "kind of amateur that kind of stuff now with the technology we have".


https://variety.com/2024/film/news/...thing-motion-capture-not-suit-1235921378/amp/

Definitely makes sense. As everyone else will be CGI (when it comes to powers at least).

Do we think that the animators will have enough time to do a good job??
 
Not thebend of the world, but it seems to be a recurring pattern
No, I get it. Believe me. :)

Ebon Moss-Bachrach confirms that the Thing will be CGI. He mentions the suit worn by Michael Chiklis, noting that it was very uncomfortable for Chiklis ,and says, "We're past that". Going on he compared the suit to "cosplay" and "kind of amateur that kind of stuff now with the technology we have".
I rankle at some of what he said, but I do agree that Grimm specifically will be served much better by going CG.
 
Definitely makes sense. As everyone else will be CGI (when it comes to powers at least).

Do we think that the animators will have enough time to do a good job??

I think that Marvel has a lot riding on this movie. Hopefully, they will spare neither time nor expense on getting it right. Also, apparently Victoria Alonso was the one largely to blame for overworking the animators, and she has been kicked to the curb.

I rankle at some of what he said, but I do agree that Grimm specifically will be served much better by going CG.

Oh yeah. I don't think he meant it as such, but that could be considered very disrespectful towards the people who worked on the 2005 movie and sequel (ETA: and cosplayers!). However, I don't believe for a moment that they couldn't pull off a realistic practical Thing suit that doesn't look like "cosplay" with enough time and money. That said, I agree that the character will be better served as CGI in the MCU. If you're going to have the Thing and the Hulk standing next to each other in the same scene, they need to either both be CGI or they need to both be live action or it will just look off.
 
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Before i get into the other stuff...just on this... what level of "Superman" are we talking about? Like MCU Icarius of the Eternals level of Superman, or DCFU's version which has him be the repository of all Krpyptonians' DNA as well as his death triggering Darkseid's impending Apocalypse (pun intended)

Sentry was way after my time, so i don't know how powerful he's supposed to be.... but also that ca be easily changed to suit the direction of the MCU
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Sentry's power level seemed to change from comic to comic so that wouldn't be a problem. He also had a mental block IIRC, due to his split personality, that prevented him from using his powers to their full extent--but I could be misremembering that entirely.
 
Not the end of the world, but it seems to be a recurring pattern (including the tone of the reaction of what is obvious to MOST to be a joke.


Definitely makes sense. As everyone else will be CGI (when it comes to powers at least).

Do we think that the animators will have enough time to do a good job??

There will probably be a lot of scenes of Ben in a trench coat and wide brimmed hat.
 
Hey, look everyone! Over here! Marvel news! (Thank God...)

Ebon Moss-Bachrach confirms that the Thing will be CGI. He mentions the suit worn by Michael Chiklis, noting that it was very uncomfortable for Chiklis, and says, "We're past that". Going on, he compared the suit to "cosplay" and "kind of amateur that kind of stuff now with the technology we have".

Okay, that's very condescending to cosplayers, whose work is often as good as or better than professional movie/TV costumes. It's also a mistake to say "We're past that" as though prosthetics are an intrinsically inferior technology. On the contrary, animatronics and prosthetics tech have continued to improve, are still used frequently today, and are often more convincing than pure CGI.

While I understand the consideration of the actor's comfort, I feel the Thing works better as a physical costume. After all, he's a character largely defined by his weight and solidity, and that's one of the things CGI has the hardest time capturing convincingly. Chiklis's prosthetics looked fantastic, to coin a term. Heck, even the Thing costume in the unreleased Roger Corman movie looked great, because they blew most of their tiny budget on it (and Reed and Johnny's FX looked terribly cheap in comparison).
 
Considering other major Marvel characters such as the Hulk and Thanos were CGI, it'd be weird if the Thing was a dude in a costume, where things like height and movement are still gonna be relegated to an actor's body shape.

Fair point, I know, but I really liked the prosthetic Thing costumes we've had.

As far as height goes, I was impressed with the way the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie handled Mr. Hyde -- he was an actor in a prosthetic costume, but they used forced perspective and digital compositing to make him appear bigger, a nice blend of practical and digital effects.

As for movement, that's the part that worries me the most. A guy in a heavy latex costume is going to have to overcome inertia and have a real sense of weight to the motion, while a guy in a mocap leotard may move too quickly and lightly to be convincing. I just hope they take the Thing's mass and the thickness of his limbs into account. (Like how Ang Lee wore a muscle suit in the Hulk's proportions when he did the Hulk's mocap performance in the 2003 movie.)
 
Uh, stupid question: do the Avengers still exist in some form after the events of Endgame or they are disbanded or something like that?
 
Uh, stupid question: do the Avengers still exist in some form after the events of Endgame or they are disbanded or something like that?

I think there have been suggestions that they still exist. In The Marvels, when Kamala Khan first swapped places with Monica Rambeau and saw Nick Fury, she asked if it was her "Avengers test." And I think Scott Lang in Quantumania was referred to as an active Avenger, though I'm not sure.
 
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