Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Grendelsbayne]

And yet there are lots of other shows with minor characters that get character development just fine. But sure, let’s be apologists because ‘that’s Star Trek.’

There's nothing to apologize for. A show isn't required to develop minor characters. Doing so is just a creative choice. Some shows do it more than others. Both are completely valid approaches.

Also, almost no series ever deeply develops *every* minor character. I'm thinking of every show I've ever watched that had a truly richly developed set of secondary characters (sometimes a dozen plus of them) and every single one of those series also had at least one (usually more than one) secondary character who was not significantly developed at all.

It always comes down to the decision of the writers about who they want to focus on and who they don't want to focus on. It is never, ever the case that a story *must* focus on specific minor characters whether the writers want to or not. The writers of DSC chose to focus on minor characters like Sarek or Cornwell, not on minor bridge crew characters. They have the right to do that no matter how much you want them to focus on the bridge crew instead.

 

[GhoulEddie74]

This is a non-issue. Not every character with face time needs development. Leslie on TOS got no development at all and Kyle barely more than that and both remain enjoyable parts of that series. We even got Commander Kyle in TWOK and got to see him with a van dyke or goatee. Do we need the backstory of how he got promoted and why he grew that facial hair?

Nope. Not a main character.

 

[Zombie Cheerleader]

Ensign Gates from TNG is my favorite "seat filler" character.

 

[eschaton]

Garak and Nog on DS9 became fan favorite characters because the writers liked what Andrew Robinson and Aron Eisenberg did with their early appearances and wrote more and meatier script material for both. They were intended as a glorified one-off or an occasional supporting character but with deft writing and the fun, tongue-in-cheek performances by those actors the writers ran hog wild with both.

IMHO the biggest miss - by far - for VOY was not taking advantage of the crew being stranded in the Delta Quadrant to build up a consistent set of secondary characters who were also on the ship.

Yeah, they did this a little early on, but after the disappointing response to the semi-serialization of Season 2, they basically abandoned the idea. By the back half of the show, it was just Naomi Wildman and Icheb, more or less.

 

[GhoulEddie74]

VOY needed its own Garak and Nog. Sadly Icheb and Naomi Wildman were not those characters. Which is a shame and reflection on the writers because Scarlett Pomers gave a fun and watchable performance as Naomi and it was kinda cool to have a kid on the ship who wasn't an ex-Borg.

 

[HauntRod]

VOY needed its own Garak and Nog. Sadly Icheb and Naomi Wildman were not those characters. Which is a shame and reflection on the writers because Scarlett Pomers gave a fun and watchable performance as Naomi and it was kinda cool to have a kid on the ship who wasn't an ex-Borg.

Voyager needed ALOT of things. Such a disappointment.

 

[The Gatekeeper]

And yet there are lots of other shows with minor characters that get character development just fine. But sure, let’s be apologists because ‘that’s Star Trek.’

Well, it is Star Trek. Even when the bridge officers are in the main cast, they're still not guaranteed any character development, Harry Kim and Travis Mayweather prove this. So to expect character development from bridge officers who are listed in the end credits as Co-Stars is genuinely perplexing.

Besides, the whole "why don't we get to know Detmer, Owo, Rhys or Bryce" routine is like expecting story material on Stargate centering around Walter Harriman or Sgt. Siler. The show isn't about those characters.

 

[GhoulEddie74]

Frankly, the fact we've gotten so much screen time for Detmer and Owo is shocking and I'm happy with what we know. What we know informs the characters in episodes when they're necessary to the narrative. Outside those scattered episodes I'm fine with them being Chekov or Sulu only with marginally more dialogue.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, it is Star Trek. Even when the bridge officers are in the main cast, they're still not guaranteed any character development, Harry Kim and Travis Mayweather prove this. So to expect character development from bridge officers who are listed in the end credits as Co-Stars is genuinely perplexing.

Besides, the whole "why don't we get to know Detmer, Owo, Rhys or Bryce" routine is like expecting story material on Stargate centering around Walter Harriman or Sgt. Siler. The show isn't about those characters.

Usually such arguments center on dissatisfaction with the main characters.

 

[HauntRod]

Being that they'll be filming throughout Canadian winter, I wonder if they'll take advantage of the weather and film something outside in real snow. Fake snow almost always looks exactly that, fake.

I know the season was written before the strike, but I wonder if any location shoots planned for the first half of the season would be amended to take advantage of the situation? A warm summer forest becomes a winter wonderland.

 

[Zombie Cheerleader]

Being that they'll be filming throughout Canadian winter, I wonder if they'll take advantage of the weather and film something outside in real snow. Fake snow almost always looks exactly that, fake.

I know the season was written before the strike, but I wonder if any location shoots planned for the first half of the season would be amended to take advantage of the situation? A warm summer forest becomes a winter wonderland.

Time to visit Andoria and Hemmer's family.

 

[HauntRod]

Time to visit Andoria and Hemmer's family.

Yes! I'd love to see the Andoria again!

 

[GhoulEddie74]

Andoria. The one planet that gives Breen a run for its alien monetary credits when it comes to being more frigid than Kai Winn.

 

[HauntRod]

I'm sure they could find some strange bit of architecture in the GTA that they could film in the dead of winter and call Andorian.

 

[HauntRod]

Andoria?

 

[GhoulEddie74]

That third building could totally pass for an Andorian building.

 

[The Gatekeeper]

The bottom left and top right I could totally see on Andoria.

 

[No Grave Dug]

So emulating a show from the '60's is totally the way to go then.

Absolutely. It's called STAR TREK.

 

[GhoulEddie74]

^
This.

 

[No Grave Dug]

'Star Trek: Strange New Worlds’ And ‘Lower Decks’ Nominated For Best Series Critics Choice Awards
https://trekmovie.com/2023/12/05/st...inated-for-best-series-critics-choice-awards/

Television critics have once again looked upon Star Trek and liked what they have seen with both Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks. Both shows are nominated for best series categories and one of Strange New Worlds‘ stars is also nominated.

3 nominations for Star Trek
The television nominations were announced today by the Critics Choice Association, and two Star Trek shows are being recognized. First up is the second season of Strange New Worlds, which has been nominated for two awards, including the biggest prize: Best Drama Series. It has serious competition with The Crown, The Diplomat, The Last of Us, Loki, The Morning Show, Succession, and Winning Time: The Rise of the Lakers Dynasty.

Celia Rose Gooding (Uhura) has also been nominated for Best Supporting Actress In A Drama Series. Her competition is Nicole Beharie (The Morning Show), Elizabeth Debicki (The Crown), Sophia Di Martino (Loki), Karen Pittman (The Morning Show), and Christina Ricci (Yellowjackets)...