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Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 4x09 - "The Inner Fight"

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True, but Lycia Naff had a much longer acting career and many more credits to her name, so it might have been easier to bring her out of retirement.
 
Well before LD's inception, though. At the time, I think Locarno was supposed to be laid to rest forever. No one was expecting a show as irreverent as LD to occur.
Bringing back Nick Locarno is the kind of thing that LDX tends to do: the off hand and often forgotten antagonists of previous series, not unlike the Pakleds. It allows them to play with the parallelism between him and Tom Paris.

I don't share the opinion that he was irredeemable. He was redeemed: he accepted the blame for the accident, which allowed Crusher and Sito to stay in Starfleet. Without his actions, Sito would not have been positioned to sacrifice herself in " Lower Decks." This seems like another justification for not bringing back the character. At least the excuse that not needing to pay the creator of the character has the virtue of reflecting the neuroses of Rick Berman.
 
At least the excuse that not needing to pay the creator of the character has the virtue of reflecting the neuroses of Rick Berman.
I've heard this before and I've also heard of other circumstances when this was certainly going to be the case of bringing back an "all but in name character". OTOH they were going to make Ro Laren a full time character on DS9. So who knows?

IMHO a lot of the rules in Hollywood that are meant to ensure that someone gets paid for their work actually just mean that nobody will use something for free because nobody is ever going to pay the money to begin with. Or so it seems from this angle.
 
I've heard this before and I've also heard of other circumstances when this was certainly going to be the case of bringing back an "all but in name character". OTOH they were going to make Ro Laren a full time character on DS9. So who knows?
Have you read Fifty Year Mission? The section on Voyager starts with Behr complaining about how even though he was the sole writer for his half of The Maquis, Berman, Piller and Taylor attached their names to the episode because they were afraid of being challenged as creators of Voyager.
 
I went 9 but maybe should have went 10. This one seems to get better the more I think about it.

I loved the Mariner/Sito connection, and it explains a lot. Though the confession was a touch too easy, but OK. But Lower Decks is a top 20 TNG episode for me, and I oove the callback.

I loved poking fun at Star Wars and that Captain Freeman knew what she was doing, mostly. Loved the Tholian Web & Corbamite Manuever callbacks. NOT being a puppet was hilarious. As was Boimler's "teach me to tap dance, Beverly Crusher" dream. Tom Riker lives! And the return of Lacarno!

I would not bet on Lacarno being a total baddie, though. He took the hit so the others could continue. He was loyal to them and I bet he still is. That is what the Starburst is about. There is a reason he sought Mariner out. Put me firmly in camp "Sito is alive "

Thomas Riker is alive. Tuvok survived the Picard finale. If Sito is alive, I may even have hope for Ro, as Matalas indicated there was a version where she was transported out prior to the explosion & later found.
 
I've heard this before and I've also heard of other circumstances when this was certainly going to be the case of bringing back an "all but in name character". OTOH they were going to make Ro Laren a full time character on DS9. So who knows?

IMHO a lot of the rules in Hollywood that are meant to ensure that someone gets paid for their work actually just mean that nobody will use something for free because nobody is ever going to pay the money to begin with. Or so it seems from this angle.

As mentioned earlier in the thread, the what if/intentions are fun to look back on.

Kira was initially supposed to be Ro Laren on DS9. But Forbes turned it down.

The Lacarno/Paris thing on Voyager.

The T'Pol/T'Pau thing on Enterprise.
 
I went 9 but maybe should have went 10. This one seems to get better the more I think about it.

I loved the Mariner/Sito connection, and it explains a lot. Though the confession was a touch too easy, but OK. But Lower Decks is a top 20 TNG episode for me, and I oove the callback.

I loved poking fun at Star Wars and that Captain Freeman knew what she was doing, mostly. Loved the Tholian Web & Corbamite Manuever callbacks. NOT being a puppet was hilarious. As was Boimler's "teach me to tap dance, Beverly Crusher" dream. Tom Riker lives! And the return of Lacarno!

I would not bet on Lacarno being a total baddie, though. He took the hit so the others could continue. He was loyal to them and I bet he still is. That is what the Starburst is about. There is a reason he sought Mariner out. Put me firmly in camp "Sito is alive "

Thomas Riker is alive. Tuvok survived the Picard finale. If Sito is alive, I may even have hope for Ro, as Matalas indicated there was a version where she was transported out prior to the explosion & later found.

Regarding Tuvok and Ro... keep in mind that this show takes place about 15 years prior to PICARD season 1. So there is definitely a possibility we can see Tuvok or Ro.
 
I kinda hope they keep Sito dead. Feels like her being alive would kinda ruin the episode Lower Decks.

I mean…it’s ok for people to die and stay dead. Like, if Legacy does become a thing we don’t need a miraculously resurrected Shaw, Shelby or Ro.
 
Like, if Legacy does become a thing we don’t need a miraculously resurrected Shaw, Shelby or Ro.
I thought their deaths were pretty senseless (and not in a "ohhh, death is so random!" way) so I would be even more annoyed if they were resurrected. The show runners made this mess, live with it.

Sito was open ended even back in the day. Who knows. I can't think of the last time I was this excited to see a part II. (SNW is different. I'm always just excited to see SNW.)
 
I kinda hope they keep Sito dead. Feels like her being alive would kinda ruin the episode Lower Decks.

I mean…it’s ok for people to die and stay dead. Like, if Legacy does become a thing we don’t need a miraculously resurrected Shaw, Shelby or Ro.
It might be interesting to get more story about Sito, but I think something special about the episode would be cheapened.
 
Meh.

Shaw maybe will, but Ro and Shelby will never be mentioned again. So what consequences are those?
PICARD: Maybe. But she, or someone like her, will always be with us, waiting for the right climate in which to flourish, spreading fear in the name of righteousness. Vigilance, Mister Worf, that is the price we have to continually pay.
 
PICARD: Maybe. But she, or someone like her, will always be with us, waiting for the right climate in which to flourish, spreading fear in the name of righteousness. Vigilance, Mister Worf, that is the price we have to continually pay.

You'll have to be clearer than that with me because I don't think I get your point. I'm guessing that's from "The Drumhead" and I think you're maybe saying that Starfleet took their eyes off the ball, but it still has no effect on whether a resurrected Ro or Shelby would have "consequences" that would somehow be negated by their mere presence. And I maintain Ro or Shelby is very unlikely to ever be mentioned again.

I'm not asking for their resurrections. Just that "let there be consequences" is pretty irrelevant for characters who hadn't appeared in 30 years and had no close relationships with any of the characters from the show they were killed in, so are unlikely to be motivators for any other characters, alive or dead. Even Picard's angry reaction to Ro felt forced. And we don't even have any reason to believe we will revisit the 25th century.
 
You'll have to be clearer than that with me because I don't think I get your point. I'm guessing that's from "The Drumhead" and I think you're maybe saying that Starfleet took their eyes off the ball, but it still has no effect on whether a resurrected Ro or Shelby would have "consequences" that would somehow be negated by their mere presence. And I maintain Ro or Shelby is very unlikely to ever be mentioned again.

I'm not asking for their resurrections. Just that "let there be consequences" is pretty irrelevant for characters who hadn't appeared in 30 years and had no close relationships with any of the characters from the show they were killed in, so are unlikely to be motivators for any other characters, alive or dead. Even Picard's angry reaction to Ro felt forced. And we don't even have any reason to believe we will revisit the 25th century.
Keeping them dead is the consequence, a reminder of the people who died because of Starfleet's failure.

Just like Ross and his statement around the people dying on the Dominion War. A grim reminder of what is necessary.
 
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I can't be the only one who thinks the information broker has a striking resemblance to... Christopher Walken
 
Ro would not be hard to declare to have survived. Shaw would be problematic, since we saw him die. But there's always AU's to play with.

As for Shelby, they could probably bring her back... but would anyone want them to?
 
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