Spoilers AHSOKA series [Spoiler Discussion]

[CorporalCaptain]

I enjoyed the show, but I can recognize obvious problems.

One of the most glaring is regarding the reveal that Ahsoka had stopped training Sabine, evidently because she was concerned that Sabine might want to avenge the destruction of Mandalore. This reveal belonged up front, instead of in the final episode. If this had been a problem before, then Ahsoka should have determined that it wasn't still a problem before taking her on as her student again. But there was zero discussion shown between the two of what should have been critical elements of Sabine's character and what path Sabine might walk if she were to learn to use the Force. After her encounter with Anakin, there was also room for Ahsoka to realize that she wasn't a toxic master, doomed to fall to the dark side, and doomed to lead her apprentice towards the dark side. That all went completely unsaid. Maybe it has a place in S2 or whatever is to come, but there was more than enough time to have had these discussions and this development occur in S1.

Also, I'm generally disappointed in the trend that so much backstory and side story is left to ancillary material. Who is Shin, were does she come from? I want to know.

Even more crucially, what was it that Thrawn was fighting, what did all that damage to his men and their ship? I'm concerned that since his Star Destroyer is back in the main galaxy, we might never find out—except in the ancillary material.

 

[Tuskin38]

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Horrible character. Filloni wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

Filoni is allegedly the one who suggested to the writers to make her the Mother

 

[Tuskin38]

It pisses you off because I insulted a show you like? Seriously?? Grow up!

You should probably stay indoors, life is clearly too much of a challenge for you.

There’s nothing wrong with criticizing a show, it’s just the way you express it that puts people off.

 

[fireproof78]

When people insult shows and people who I'm a fan of pisses me off.

Shows I can handle.

People not so much.

And I'll call out what I see as a waste of time every time.

 

[Dee1891]

Will Sabine ever face the consequences for cooperating with Baylan Skoll and Morgan Elsbeth, when she handed over to them, the star map that led to Thrawn's location?

Why not?

I don't like the use of zombies in the Star Wars franchise. It doesn't feel right to me. But I'm sure many others are fine with it.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't like the use of zombies in the Star Wars franchise. It doesn't feel right to me. But I'm sure many others are fine with it.

Right how?

I don't like witches either but it works because the Force.

 

[Set Harth]

Witches have been a thing in SW since the Ewok movies.

 

[cooleddie74]

And the original pre-production design for what became Darth Maul in Episode I was a "Sith Witch" that eventually got used to create Mother Talzin and the Nightsisters in TCW.

 

[Dee1891]

Right how?

I don't like witches either but it works because the Force.

What do you mean "right how"? I still don't like the idea of zombies in the Star Wars universe. If you don't mind, fine. This is my just my feeling.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Will Sabine ever face the consequences for cooperating with Baylan Skoll and Morgan Elsbeth, when she handed over to them, the star map that led to Thrawn's location?

Sabine handing over the map is a great example of a scene that would have been way more dramatic, had we learned beforehand that Ahsoka had had concerns over whether Sabine would fall to the dark side, because of what had happened to Mandalore.

I assume that Ahsoka saying that she understood Sabine's gamble was referring to handing over the map, and the gamble being to entrust it to Morgan in order to reach Ezra.

 

[Jedi Marso]

I would mostly agree...except no Zeb!

The lack of Zeb in this show was... hurtful. I could just imagine him rushing up and putting Ezra in a headlock for the noogie there at the end.

 

[fireproof78]

Witches have been a thing in SW since the Ewok movies.

Yes...

...and I don't like them.

These two things can be true at once.

What do you mean "right how"? I still don't like the idea of zombies in the Star Wars universe. If you don't mind, fine. This is my just my feeling.

Right as in why does it feel the way that it feels? Right as in the appropriate fit, not scifi enough for this space fantasy?

It's not a matter of liking or not (lots of ideas I don't like in Star Wars too long to list). But "feels right" is nebulous and I'm curious to the specifics.

 

[Kor]

The zombie stormtrooper thing is kind of a call-back to one of the EU novels, right? I lost track of all the EU stuff pretty early on. Anyway, zombies and witches in general aren't necessarily to my taste, but the depiction works as it's all a strange usage of "The Force," which is demonstrably a real thing in the Star Wars universe, with various cultures treating it in their own unique ways that don't line up with Jedi "orthodoxy." I did like seeing the Dathomirean culture in this series since I found it interesting in TCW. I may have missed some details, but are we to understand that they actually originated on Peridea and not Dathomir? That would mean a "near-human" species actually came from another galaxy.

Kor

 

[fireproof78]

The zombie stormtrooper thing is kind of a call-back to one of the EU novels, right? I lost track of all the EU stuff pretty early on. Anyway, zombies and witches in general aren't necessarily to my taste, but the depiction works as it's all a strange usage of "The Force," which is demonstrably a real thing in the Star Wars universe, with various cultures treating it in their own unique ways that don't line up with Jedi "orthodoxy."

That is my take as well on it. The Force, as the audience knows it, really only comes from one point of view. But how would it be viewed inside the larger galaxy, with people who have these capabilities and powers that not everyone does?

It stands to reason that various cultures around the galaxy would adopt different practices based on some of these powers, including some that would be considered "unnatural."

 

[Nombrecomun]

OK, I can kind of see that, but if you really hate episode after episode, after 2 or 3 episodes it's probably not gonna get any better.

That's very true. I would say that as a fan I want to be informed because I like SW, ST, etc...so I watch it.

I also think the word 'hate' gets to be overused. I am sure there are people that hate what SW has become or a particular series, etc....For me it's more of disappointment. I can and happily do criticize something I don't like but it doesn't mean I hate it. At all.

I realize that seems like some sort of contradiction for some.

 

[fireproof78]

That's very true. I would say that as a fan I want to be informed because I like SW, ST, etc...so I watch it.

I also think the word 'hate' gets to be overused. I am sure there are people that hate what SW has become or a particular series, etc....For me it's more of disappointment. I can and happily do criticize something I don't like but it doesn't mean I hate it. At all.

I realize that seems like some sort of contradiction for some.

I think that makes sense to a point. When something is not working (for instance a current era of production) then I am less likely to engage with it. For instance, I did not keep watching the prequels because I was like "Oh, I have to know!" I went and enjoyed it because I had friends who enjoyed Star Wars and I enjoyed time with them, and managed to find some things to like in those films.

But, after that, we had less interest, did more fan things (video games, fan films, RPGs, etc), and didn't bother with Clone Wars or any other PT content. It just was not interesting for us.

That's my big push with the current era. All I see when it comes to complaints (note, this is a general observation) is that the current administration of LFL under Disney is producing nothing but crap, is harming the brand, and is completely unaware of what Star Wars means. To which I have to ask "Why watch it at all?" It's not like we have no data points to know how the current style will be. Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett, OWK, and now Ahsoka. This is like having a bad experience at a restaurant and going back again and again and expecting them to fix it.

I like Star Wars but I don't give second chances for installments I haven't enjoyed. 1 episode and I'm done.

I'm sure this makes no sense to others.

 

[Crewman6]

Critical appraisal of quality is not welcome, apparently. So it goes.

"Quality" is subjective. This is a discussion forum. If you can't handle differing opinions, stay in bed.

 

[Crewman6]

This thread, and bbs in general, is much better when you use the ignore function to it's fullest potential Don't engage the stupidity at all.

aka don't engage with people of differing opinions because you're not mature enough to handle it.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

"Quality" is subjective. This is a discussion forum. If you can't handle differing opinions, stay in bed.

Critical appraisal of the quality of the show, not of you. I think you were expecting people to attack you and you reacted. Actually, I agree with many of your points, but not all of them and perhaps not as strongly. I'm pretty much on the fence about Ahsoka - it fell so much short of what it could have been, but it has some potential to be rescued. However, I'm not really bothered if the story doesn't get completed. Discussion of technical prowess of the various actors with non-existent weapons, I'm not prepared to judge and don't really care. I also don't care who Baylan Skoll is looking for - be it Snoke, Palps or Abeloth. I'm not deep into the lore - I just want entertainment.

 

[Set Harth]

That is my take as well on it. The Force, as the audience knows it, really only comes from one point of view. But how would it be viewed inside the larger galaxy, with people who have these capabilities and powers that not everyone does?

It stands to reason that various cultures around the galaxy would adopt different practices based on some of these powers, including some that would be considered "unnatural."

Once upon a time, it was said somewhere that Palpatine was the strongest or most powerful Force user in the film era. However, at times during TCW it seems as if Talzin is more powerful than anything we've seen coming from Palpatine. I suspect this is why TCW season 6 clarified that the witches do not use the Force in the way the Jedi or Sith do:
"The cultists couldn't exploit the living Force like a Jedi or a Sith. I sense something else... a darker presence."

"It may help you to know, however, that I am not a natural Force wielder like the Jedi or Sith. I use dark magic to achieve power. But as a Bardottan, you possess a strong connection to the living Force, a connection that will now be mine."

"With the combined power of your spirit and my dark magic, I will become more powerful than any Sith or Jedi."