Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread
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It is when the writers want it to be.
The timeline split in the 20th century, with TOS and DSC/SNW running parallel, but as time goes on the they get more and more similar and at some point before TNG they have merged back into each other.
I wonder how many demilitarized wastelands there are out there that have slipped the notice of the Western World, simply because whatever happened there didn't catch some ticks on a news cycle at any point in time.
Was the EW's ever supposed to have used nukes, or was it a shadow war, waged by underground operators away from the public eye? The EW was never supposed to be the same as WWIII. I'm thinking they could quite easily fit it inside existing history. Greg Cox's Khan trilogy did this quite nicely, in fact.
Was the EW's ever supposed to have used nukes, or was it a shadow war, waged by underground operators away from the public eye? The EW was never supposed to be the same as WWIII. I'm thinking they could quite easily fit it inside existing history. Greg Cox's Khan trilogy did this quite nicely, in fact.
Archer in ENT said that his great-grandfather served with American military units in North Africa in a front of the wars, so I'm assuming a deal of them were out-in-the-open military conflicts.
Whatever it was intended to be, the Eugenics War and World War 3 have seemingly been the same thing since 1987 and the premiere of TNG.
It wasn't?
Why does Spock call it the last of "your so called world wars?"
So was there a WW4 and WW3 was a whole other conflict?
Damnit! I can't be studying the Bronze Age collapse right now! I have to be looking in to this fictional world event!
WWIII has bounced around a bit I think, but Farpoint made it later than it ever was in TOS or in 80's written fiction. There are people here who have a stronger grip on the details than I do.
Nope. WW3 was much more devastating than the EW.
Why are Vulcans called Vulcanians and Spock's "ancestor" a human, and not his mother in season 1? They hadn't settled on the timeline yet
No WW4. Just WW3.
What's more interesting to you?
To some, I guess, but I would disagree. There's also much canonical evidence to demonstrate they were two completely different events, with a LOT of time spanned out between them.
So Spock got it wrong.
So?
Which evidence gets more credence? I lean towards TOS, not TNG or SNW.
Well, that includes the EW.
Bronze Age collapse.
Less controversial
There's enough things that Star Trek has been vaguely consistent about. WWIII is NOT one of those things.Still wondering why the data matters. I guess it might help in Star Trek Jeopardy. Though I guess the date of the Eugenics War or WWIII could be their own categories at this rate
I'd argue that the only reason that the Eugenics Wars is SO pinned to 1996 is not because of Space Seed but because of Wrath of Khan. It's certainly the only reason it figures into SNW.
Star Trek has never really been canonically consistent throughout the ENTIRE history of the Franchise. Hell, ST:TMP suddenly had using Warp Drive within a Star System as extremely risky even though TOS had them warping directly into and out of planetary orbits for its entire run. You've had episodes that claim maneuvering at and combat warp is tricky yet in TOS S2 The Ultimate Computer dialog has ships on both sides maneuvering, turning, firing and hitting targets at warp (and changing warp speeds mid combat) as standard maneuvers as no big deal.
IDK where fandom got the idea that the Star Trek franchise is soooo internally consistent when week to week things change as the needs of the story change.
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Largely owing to reading other ancillary materials rather than revisiting the episodes themselves, as well as the tendency for human memory to go "Eh, close enough."IDK where fandom got the idea that the Star Trek franchise is soooo internally consistent when week to week things change as the needs of the story change.
That's why TOS and SNW and DISCO don't bother me because it falls under the "close enough" rule that Trek employed from time to time in recalling different ideas in tech, or uniforms or other such things. If the through line of the story and characters is consistent enough the technical details can be excused as narrative convenience, which is how humans actually operate, rather than repeating only strict literal facts in their stories.
As the old saying goes, "when the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
I always kinda figured that it was the fact that the new WARP drive in TMP had never really been field tested before Kirk took over the Enterprise and they weren't sure exactly what effect it might have near planets.
So Kirk in his usual style was bucking the norm when ordering WARP so soon.
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Hi Peeps!
Finally finished watching Season 2 of SNW - though not for lack of trying (rather, from finding windows to watch amidst life’s’ busy-ness).
Gotta say, I loved the majority of this season, especially Subspace Rhapsody.
As far as I’m concerned, SNW is my show now, and I’m eagerly awaiting Season 3!
Finally finished watching Season 2 of SNW - though not for lack of trying (rather, from finding windows to watch amidst life’s’ busy-ness).
Gotta say, I loved the majority of this season, especially Subspace Rhapsody.
As far as I’m concerned, SNW is my show now, and I’m eagerly awaiting Season 3!
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Haha. You and several others have made good points about how vague and inconsistent it has been in the past already. I do believe that some folks have been overthinking the situation, which is par for the trekbbs course. But I know it can be fun to squabble over the details.
Not every incongruity or retcon has to be evidence of a separate timeline. There has been plenty of time travel in Trek, and sometimes the fiction intends for the viewer to interpret events as a new timeline, but more commonly the existing timeline just gets tweaked and the viewer is expected to believe that everything continues on pretty normally regardless. In this case, the Prime timeline remains Prime, and there's no need to imagine some dramatic divergence. Change two words of Space Seed in your head and we're golden.
Star Trek isn't real, the butterfly effect is only in play if a writer wills it to be so, so if writers want the details of the eugenics wars to be a little flexible while maintaining existing continuity, they can. And we can all carry on from that per usual business.
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