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Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 4x05 - "Empathalogical Fallacies"

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The handling of Ro's earring was pretty clunky. Riker states that she has to follow uniform code, so it's not just him being an asshole. You have to wonder what the code is, with other people clearly wearing items relating to their culture. (Such as Klingon and Native American.) And then VOY reinforces it in Learning Curve. The interpretation that it's all allowed but permission needs to be granted on a case-by-case basis does seem to work best.
 
You don't need to ask permission in western militaries of today to wear cultural adornments with the uniform, so why would you need to in the supposedly non-military Starfleet?

That seems like a rather broad statement considering how much trouble Sikhs had to go through to keep their beards and turbans in the US Military.

Besides, I call it "asking permission", but if the first Starfleet officer from Pajamaan 4 doesn't have a meeting with someone about the issue at some point, how does Starfleet find out her fuzzy pink slippers are a religious requirement in the first place?
 
The handling of Ro's earring was pretty clunky. Riker states that she has to follow uniform code, so it's not just him being an asshole. You have to wonder what the code is, with other people clearly wearing items relating to their culture. (Such as Klingon and Native American.) And then VOY reinforces it in Learning Curve. The interpretation that it's all allowed but permission needs to be granted on a case-by-case basis does seem to work best.
It reminds me of Troi's uniform. Of course, it was the right thing to put Troi in the standard uniform, in order to emphasize her professionalism. However, it came in the context of Jellico being a dick.
 
With Ro, I think it's simply a matter of her having been court martialed because she disobeyed orders and caused the deaths of 8 other officers. No one on the Enterprise wanted her there initially because of her actions. Even Geordi, who's usually very easygoing, felt she didn't belong in the uniform.

Exactly. Ro arrived under a cloud, so Riker wasn't inclined to cut her any slack, due to her reputation and record. A Bajoran with a distinguished service record probably wouldn't have gotten any flack over her earring.
 
Besides, I call it "asking permission", but if the first Starfleet officer from Pajamaan 4 doesn't have a meeting with someone about the issue at some point, how does Starfleet find out her fuzzy pink slippers are a religious requirement in the first place?
Well, as demonstrated frequently Starfleet's diplomatic information is often very poor dispersing information, i.e. "Insurrection."
 
Besides, I call it "asking permission", but if the first Starfleet officer from Pajamaan 4 doesn't have a meeting with someone about the issue at some point, how does Starfleet find out her fuzzy pink slippers are a religious requirement in the first place?
Ro wasn't the first or only Bajoran in Starfleet. Nor was the Enterprise her first assignment.
RIKER [OC]: Ensign Ro Laren.
PICARD: Ro Laren? From the Wellington?
RIKER [OC]:: The same one, sir. Shall I tell her there's been some mistake?
PICARD: Stand by, Commander.
KENNELLY: I wrote the orders. I thought she might be valuable to you.
PICARD: Admiral, respectfully. I would appreciate consulting rights on the assignment of a new officer, especially one with the record of Ro Laren.
KENNELLY: She's Bajoran.
PICARD: There are other Bajorans in Starfleet. Assign one of them.
The earring scene goes like this
(a young woman in red uniform beams in, wearing a sullen expression and a fancy earring)
RO: Ensign Ro Laren reporting as ordered, Commander.
RIKER: You will follow Starfleet uniform code aboard this ship, Ensign.
(she removes the earring)
As pointed out it seems out of place given the latitude other characters have with their uniforms. Comes across as Riker asserting his authority over a known "troublemaker" and using "The Starfleet Uniform Code" to do so. With a different Bajoran officer he probably wouldn't have cared.
 
That whole thing with Ro not being allowed to wear her earring made no sense and was really just a clunky means of providing exposition, to shine a light on the fact that Bajorans wear earrings for cultural reasons. In the modern western world, all uniform services including militaries allow their personnel to wear cultural adornments like turbans and hijabs. And Starfleet does allow Worf to wear a twenty pound baldric. There really is no reason Ro wouldn't be allowed to wear her earring.
The simple answer is that earrings are not sashes.

Anything that involves piercing or clipping a thing onto a part of the body is going to have a lot more regulations surrounding it then something that's just loosely wrapped around it. If only for safety reasons. And Bajoran earrings in particular are, well, horribly dangerous to be wearing around anything likely to snag them due to the loose hanging chain.
 
The simple answer is that earrings are not sashes.

Anything that involves piercing or clipping a thing onto a part of the body is going to have a lot more regulations surrounding it then something that's just loosely wrapped around it. If only for safety reasons. And Bajoran earrings in particular are, well, horribly dangerous to be wearing around anything likely to snag them due to the loose hanging chain.
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By the 24th century the uniform code had been amended to exclude jewelry.

So not sure what your point here is.

Though I will also note, those are both a lot less likely to snag on something then the loose chain of a bajoran earring.
 
By the 24th century the uniform code had been amended to exclude jewelry.

So not sure what your point here is.

Though I will also note, those are both a lot less likely to snag on something then the loose chain of a bajoran earring.
My point (which should be obvious) is that Starfeet officers have worn dangly earrings. And Ro gets to wear her earring at the end of the episode and continues to throughout the show. The code involving earrings seems "flexible".
 
I always thought that the only reason Ro's earring was in question was because she was being insubordinate and rude (and also responsible for eight deaths), and Riker felt the need to take her down a peg.

With any other Bajoran crewmember, it wouldn't have been a problem, but Ro needed a bit of extra discipline, and the earring was an excuse.
 
It's worth noting that Sito Jaxa does not wear a Bajoran earring.
As so often happens, that's not proof of anything...just worth noting. :)

"Problem officer" Gerron in VOY doesn't get to wear his. But neither does Celes, who is a fine officer.
Matt Mura on Picard does wear one. And so does Sing. And Shaxs.
 
I guess that the difference could be StarFleet is the UFP's "Federal Military, Science, Exploration, & First Contact / Diplomacy" branch.
Any local service like the Vulcan's Science Directorate with their High Command could be local to that Planet / Species.

So every species could have folks join both or either services since they're part of the larger UFP family.

Kind of like the US Federal Military & each States National Guard.

We have seen that T'Lynn transferred to the Cerritos despite not going to SF academy. That would seem to imply that any species local defense training (at least those already part of UFP) is transferrable to SF service (and vice verse).

This also alleviates the in-universe problem of SF Academy only being on Earth (which quite frankly doesn't make any sense)... there should be SF Academy on every member planet with multiple campuses (or SF starbases that are built after the plane joined which would have loads of training facilities and SF staff for local defense, humanitarian missions, science, first contact/dipliomacy, etc).

But, if for example a Vulcan, Andorian or a Betazoid (or humans living on those planets) already have trained at those planets local academies for their own planetary defense force, then its more likely if they develop an interest in joining SF, they just directly transfer.

However, earlier Trek implied that this wasn't 'universal'. If you wanted to serve in SF, you had to go through SF Academy (and SF was deemed to be the main/only starship service for a UFP member planet post joining). The first case I can recall was of Major Kira being given a SF commission in S7 of DS9... and even then I guess we can ascertain that this was kind of an exception rather than the rule (but I suppose it set a precedent).

So, In the case of Bajor, once its met UFP's guidelines for joining (unless the conditions in S5 just prior to the start of the Dominion War would still apply for Bajor joining), it would likely retain its militia, but SF would probably take over in terms of defense since Bajor wasn't too big on building combat capable vessels (although its possible that Bajor would want to create its own local fleet anyway).
 
Fascinating interpretation. I will have to read Watership Down. Is the DS9 episode "Starship Down" also related?

Watership Down is a hill in England, one of the Hampshire Downs. The book takes place there. A down is a chalkland hill common to the south of England and derives from the old English word dun, meaning "hill".

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I have never watched “Starship Down” but reading about it I would surmise the title comes from military parlance as in “Black Hawk Down.”

Yeah, that's definitely more what it's referencing. It's also a very literal description of part of the episode's plot where it essentially turns into Das Boot with the Defiant trying its hand at submarine-style warfare.

The novel Watership Down was turned into an animated film in 1978 with a theme song by Art Garfunkel. Perhaps surprisingly given that it's a story about the society, language, and mythology of rabbits, this turned out to be weapons-grade nightmare fuel, and as a result those of us who stumbled across it on a rainy afternoon during school holidays tend to feel uneasy about it to this day. The Star Trek equivalent would presumably be a movie about tribbles told from a Klingon perspective. "Wov min, meQ rur chenmoH..."
 
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