Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x06 - "Lost in Translation"

[TimeIsAPredator]

Not bad despite being a fairly well worn plot.
As someone above said I wish we were getting more Pike and added to that more of the non TOS characters

 

[Yistaan]

Not bad despite being a fairly well worn plot.
As someone above said I wish we were getting more Pike and added to that more of the non TOS characters

It almost feels like they're setting up a TOS movie timeframe series

 

[Captain Jollydark]

- I also enjoyed that while they did do sequences where you knew Uhura was hallucinating; they also did other ones that kept the audience guessing (along with the characters themselves) whether or not something was a hallucination.

Yeah, that was really well done.

 

[Jag2112]

Screencaps gallery for 'Lost in Translation' now online:

https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/sc-SNW2-6.php

 

[Okmyx]

I think they introduced Kirk too early. I wouldn’t have minded if it was the final season and they introduced him and then the last episode we see Pike in the chair. Not sure what the timeline is for that but that is what set up this show.

Another thing, does Spock and Pike ever talk to each other anymore? I want to know why Spock would risk his life and career for him by taking him back to Talos IV. That could have been an undercurrent theme in this series and we really haven’t seen it.

Well, Pike did teach Spock about commiseration.

 

[Tuskin38]

We don’t even know if he’s around in this new continuity.

He pre-dated the Narada travelling back in time.

 

[Tuskin38]

1. Uhura giving the order to fire on the station. WTF?

La'an looked to Pike for confirmation before firing.

I swear, Kirk has gotten more screen time this season than Pike!

I'd like to see more Pike (in compare to Kirk too).

Because Anson has been busy with his new kid. Plus they're trying to flush out all of the characters.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Maybe not in the Prime timeline but there was this massive Academy wide trial with a tribunal or something in the Kelvin timeline...

Yah, but I figured what the hell, that's Jersey.

 

[Racefuel]

The whole screeing about the Kelvin and such..it happened like this:

Kelvin: *Detects nothing at the Neutral Zone*
Kelvin: *continues on course, doing nothing out of the ordinary like being destroyed by a Romulan supership and killing George Kirk and such*

Taadaaa

 

[Jedi Marso]

Yeah me too, but I can't really figure out why though. On the face of it (literally),he doesn't look remotely Kirk-like, and I'm not getting any of the mannerisms that would be reminiscent, and yet there is this vibe that I'm buying into that sells the character. There's probably something in the 'never say die' attitude and the thoughtful yet risk-taking tactician stuff that's coming through?

I don't like Paul Wesley as Kirk, but I do like the character he's been portraying. As others have said, it's just not Kirk.

In part, I blame the writing. Shatner imbued Kirk's character with... shatness... or something, but if the writers want to sell Wesley as Kirk, they've got to give him a little more to work with in terms of dialog, and Wesley needs to find some Shat mannerisms without trying to turn himself into the Shat. Bulking up just a wee bit wouldn't hurt the imagery, either, but whatever.

And of course, for me the real solution would be for us never to see James T. Kirk again on this show. This season he's been a bigger, more-present character than Pike, new kid in RL or not. This is supposed to be Pike's Enterprise, not a show about how all the TOS cast met one another for the first time.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Since they've recast every other character from the Kelvin movies who's also shown up on DSC/SNW (Pike, Spock, Uhura, Sarek, Amanda, etc.), I'm sure we'll be seeing a new actor as George Kirk if he ever shows up. Besides, George Kirk would need to be about 26 years older than the fellow we saw in ST09 anyway.

Put a nice Obi-wan style mustache and beard on Hemsworth and some grey highlights, and he could pull it off. I agree though, he needs to be a lot older and that'd be a lot of money for the production to spend when they can recast with an unknown actor.

 

[Yistaan]

Bulking up just a wee bit wouldn't hurt the imagery, either, but whatever.

And of course, for me the real solution would be for us never to see James T. Kirk again on this show. This season he's been a bigger, more-present character than Pike, new kid in RL or not. This is supposed to be Pike's Enterprise, not a show about how all the TOS cast met one another for the first time.

I think we've been spoiled by superhero physiques, some actors who've been juicing to get an unrealistic look. I could've sworn someone on this board posted a topless photo of Wesley and he looks buff enough, so I'm not sure what people want honestly. Shatner himself even in TOS wasn't really in peak physique anyway (could've sworn there were crew notes suggesting that he work out more or something) so I'm not sure why we need Kirk looking like a Marvel superhero in SNW.

SNW Kirk is how most actors would play the character without Shatner's signature overacting. Maybe they can implant SNW Kirk with a Gorn egg and tell Wesley to Shatner it up and overact the scene, which would be funny.

As for the lack of Pike, even Anson's new baby aside Spock has always been established as having something special with Kirk. Kirk is going to be his best friend. Pike, although someone Spock is loyal to (enough to smuggle him to Talos), was always supposed to be just his boss before Kirk. Kirk was the one who teaches Spock about how to be human, etc. and as it is a lot of scenes have Pike taking on that role (Charades for example) that really sort of belongs with Kirk.

So I'm fine with things as they are now. As someone who complained about Discovery being the Burnham show, I'm understandably fine with SNW not being the Pike show.

 

[Racefuel]

You really wouldn't need to see Hemsworth, tbh. There can be some plot contrievance where the Enterprise is too far out or such for a visual communication but audio only.

CH would just need to gravel up his voice a bit, or some post processing, and bam...voice cameo

 

[Yistaan]

Maybe they should just get Jennifer Morrison who I assume isn't going to demand an Asgardian hoard of gold for one episode.

 

[Jedi Marso]

EVERYBODY at the Academy knew.

From STII:TWoK:

Kirk: "I got a commendation for original thinking."

So yeah, what Kirk did on his third Kobayashi Maru run during his time at the academy was WELL KNOWN.

Not necessarily. Not every commendation is given in front of an entire group, or even as a written commendation. Knowing Kirk's ego, it's not even a stretch to say that the Chief of Starfleet Academy gave him a verbal 'attaboy' at the end of the 'wtf did you just do?' session in his office, and Kirk has mentally transformed that into a commendation. It's another case of the phenomenon called WYSIATI (What you see is all there is)- the fallacy that an offhand remark by a character means something it doesn't and becomes instant canon instead of the character's 'true from a certain point of view' moment.

 

[Tuskin38]

The episode implied via specific wording that Kirk's mother wasn't in Starfleet.

Which doesn't technically contradict ST09 as it wasn't stated on screen that she was in Starfleet, but I believe it was mentioned in BTS material that she was.

 

[Racefuel]

Kirks "unique" solution seems to only maybe have been known to rough contemporaries and isn't necessarily broadcast in academy lore.

Saavik plainly had no idea what Kirk had done roughly 35 years before, so it clearly has passed from common knowledge.

 

[jackoverfull]

Second episode this season that didn’t really do much for me. Might have something to do with me guessing exactly what was going on as soon as Uhura started having the first hallucination hearing that sound on the bridge.

Disnt find it particularly exciting or interesting, I liked the several nods towards TOS, found ludicrous how during the whole search segment security was nowhere to be seen and the corridors were totally empty, hated how both Una and augura acted like angsty teenagers towards Pelia.
Found the various hallucinations banal and the concept trite.
I’m getting used to Wesley’s Kirk, at least.


6.

Hopefully the LDS crossover next week will be fun.

 

[Jedi Marso]

I think we've been spoiled by superhero physiques, some actors who've been juicing to get an unrealistic look.

Whoa, stop the press!

I said 'bulk up a bit.' Nowhere does that translate to 'ripped like Thor.' Kirk was an athlete and skilled at Kirk-fu and other physical 'stuff'. Like it or not, Paul Wesley looks a pencil-neck. Chris Pine wasn't ripped but he was at least physically 'solid', for lack of a better term. Wesley looks like he'd blow away in a stiff wind. That's all I'm getting at, and ultimately the least of my concerns with Wesley as Kirk.

 

[Tiberius Jim]

Whoa, stop the press!

I said 'bulk up a bit.' Nowhere does that translate to 'ripped like Thor.' Kirk was an athlete and skilled at Kirk-fu and other physical 'stuff'. Like it or not, Paul Wesley looks a pencil-neck. Chris Pine wasn't ripped but he was at least physically 'solid', for lack of a better term. Wesley looks like he'd blow away in a stiff wind. That's all I'm getting at, and ultimately the least of my concerns with Wesley as Kirk.

THIS JUST IN: People are sometimes thinner and less "solid" when they are younger versus when they are older. Story at 11!
I look at photos of myself from less than 10 years ago and I am noticeably more "pencil-neck" than I am now. He's not Captain Kirk in his 30s, yet, he's Lieutenant Kirk in his 20s.