Definitely a different T'Pring than the SNW version!
Thank god for that. I like SNW T'Pring. I like the actress and just the power she brings to the character. Amok Time T'Pring was not great (I haven't seen that episode in a long time though).
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Thank god for that. I like SNW T'Pring. I like the actress and just the power she brings to the character. Amok Time T'Pring was not great (I haven't seen that episode in a long time though).
I mean, we're not meant to find T'Pring in Amok Time as sympathetic until the end. She issues a challenge, comes across as a completely insensitive jerk, and then explains her desire for Stonn in logical terms that Spock accepts.
She is not meant to be anything more but a foil for Spock to expound upon his struggles between his two halves.
She is not meant to be anything more but a foil for Spock to expound upon his struggles between his two halves.
It's weird, because I always thought she got a short shrift in Trek fandom. Having seen Amok Time many times over the years before this iteration of new Trek - when they introduced her here the first thing I thought was - "Jesus, what the hell did he do to this woman to make her hate him so much?" Because she clearly loves him here.
Yeah, I don’t know how to reconcile the two iterations. The SNW one is quite likable; I don’t want her to morph into that tigress.
Bitterness does odd things to humans, much less Vulcans.
T'Pring shows a tendency to go all in to support Spock, but he isn't living up to her own desires, as well as his dedication to Starfleet is in contrast to her desire for him to be more Vulcan and be with her.
T'Pring shows a tendency to go all in to support Spock, but he isn't living up to her own desires, as well as his dedication to Starfleet is in contrast to her desire for him to be more Vulcan and be with her.
Spock basically lied to her though. She was all in on Spock's human and vulcan side, but Spock wasn't. This is why I sided with T'Pring here. Spock should have told her the truth, especially since she was there before the parents were. If you can't be open in a relationship, maybe that relationship isn't worth having.
Not Chack?
I was talking about Amok Time.
Here I don't side with either one. Yeah, you can't communicate in a relationship you're going to have problems and after the mind swap T'Pring probably would be more understanding than Spock was giving her credit for.
I said the same thing in regards to Batel and Pike. And keep in mind, T'Pring is blaming Spock for something he did when he *literally* wasn't himself (as in half his DNA was altered)
I said the same as you're saying basically and got the below in response to the post.
She told him her mother was prepared to end their engagement if one thing went wrong, and then asked him what it was that he wanted to tell her; he was between the devil and the deep blue sea. He froze.
On another note: Spock having issues like this is a red flag, and planning to marry someone who hasn’t worked through a kind of existential crisis is a bad idea. T’Pring may be fully supportive, but no matter how supportive you are of someone with a deep-rooted problem, they still have to resolve it themselves before they can be a good mate.
Almost like different people have different points of view on relationships.
Indeed and Spock was still working on his own identity as a hybrid, rather than purely Vulcan or human. That's going to impact any relationship.
Ok, but this is where before the parents arrive, T'pring and Spock talk about it and have a plan to deal with the parents. I can understand Spock having cold feet, but if they really loved each other, they would be able to work through it. Worf and Jadzia did when Martok's wife was on the station.
Baseline assumption is that somehow love will make it work. But, love isn't the only thing. Love takes a lot of work and if you cannot communicate, even due to illness or space illness, then it creates a negative space for distrust to grow.
It isn't that they "really love each other." It's that there is a conflict rooted in Spock's interaction with his Vulcan and human sides and T'Pring is not always able to reconcile that, especially against the demands of her parents.
Worf and Jadzia had the advantage of seeing each other daily, though. A long-distance relationship is at a disadvantage.
Also, Spock clearly intended to tell T’Pring right up until she finished that rant about her mother, indicating she was already at the end of her rope before she even got there. It came off like he would definitely have told her if not for that.
Again writing right after watching the episode without reading this Thread yet.
Yes, another 10 from me. (Yeah, I know - broken record - but to be fair to get a 10, it doesn't have to be 'perfect' in all ways - just really entertaining in my eyes. But yeah, I'm loving all these 'big swings' they're taking in showing other sides/aspects of characters we've known for 59 years.)
I LOVE what they are doing with all the characters, but yeah, this was a really interesting 'experience' to put Spock through.
Ethan Peck also NAILED IT 100% in his performance across the board here. He was amazing.
I also love the way Anson Mount played Pike in this situation. It's nice to see acting that really goes beyond just saying the lines. Some of the stuff done by everyone is subtle, but just really adds to the entertainment value of the episode as a whole.
Also, the 'Henpecked' Vulcan Husband was absolutely hilarious, and I guess that's one thing I really enjoy about SNW is that the writers all seem to put character first and still do decent service to the anomaly/event of the week.
And hell I even like the aliens this week. They are kind enough to help when something bad occurs to a being curious about their transit tunnel; but no they really AREN'T interested in dealing with reality outside of the dimension they've travelled to, and now reside in.
And hey Spock got laid with a serving of casual human sex at the end, so at least he got the full 'Human Experience'.
(I just hope the current Hollywood Strike situation doesn't end up affecting the show in a negative way or shortening it run in the overall scheme of things. I'd love to see this series get as many seasons as it can if they keep the writing at this level. It's great. I'm hoping we do get at least 5 seasons total, but time will tell.
But yeah, this is definitely the most entertaining and well written that STAR TREK has been since TOS, and I'm loving it.
Yes, another 10 from me. (Yeah, I know - broken record - but to be fair to get a 10, it doesn't have to be 'perfect' in all ways - just really entertaining in my eyes. But yeah, I'm loving all these 'big swings' they're taking in showing other sides/aspects of characters we've known for 59 years.)
I LOVE what they are doing with all the characters, but yeah, this was a really interesting 'experience' to put Spock through.
Ethan Peck also NAILED IT 100% in his performance across the board here. He was amazing.
I also love the way Anson Mount played Pike in this situation. It's nice to see acting that really goes beyond just saying the lines. Some of the stuff done by everyone is subtle, but just really adds to the entertainment value of the episode as a whole.
Also, the 'Henpecked' Vulcan Husband was absolutely hilarious, and I guess that's one thing I really enjoy about SNW is that the writers all seem to put character first and still do decent service to the anomaly/event of the week.
And hell I even like the aliens this week. They are kind enough to help when something bad occurs to a being curious about their transit tunnel; but no they really AREN'T interested in dealing with reality outside of the dimension they've travelled to, and now reside in.
And hey Spock got laid with a serving of casual human sex at the end, so at least he got the full 'Human Experience'.
(I just hope the current Hollywood Strike situation doesn't end up affecting the show in a negative way or shortening it run in the overall scheme of things. I'd love to see this series get as many seasons as it can if they keep the writing at this level. It's great. I'm hoping we do get at least 5 seasons total, but time will tell.
But yeah, this is definitely the most entertaining and well written that STAR TREK has been since TOS, and I'm loving it.
Hybrids? Interesting choice of word.
In any case, it will be interesting to see where the Spock / T'Pring relationship ends up in the SNW milieu. If you (or more importantly, the writers) buy into the changed timeline premise, it doesn't have to culminate in what we saw in Amok Time anymore.
I love The Goonies!
I loved this episode! The Spock/Chapel thing at the end was fire. I love when sexual tension gets relieved. I do agree that Spock 'should' have told T'Pring he was human. But it created a good reason for them to...go on a break. I am conflicted about the timeline thing. Yes, I want them to not be constrained by TOS because I really like these characters but also...I like knowing what happens if it is the same timeline. It's nice for my anxiety.
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